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Interesting conversation with a former college coach

Discussion in 'RayGator's Swamp Gas' started by Gatorcarson, Nov 13, 2023.

  1. Gatorcarson

    Gatorcarson Premium Member

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    Friday night I had dinner with a group of people that included a guy who coached (defensive coach) in college for over 25 years, including long stints at Texas and Maryland. He follows UF pretty closely as his 3 kids all went there. I asked him what he thought about this Gator team. He said their diagnosis was easy and he was surprisingly optimistic about the future. He explained that things appear much worse right now than they really are because of the specific position groups where UF is bad - he the 2 areas where our roster is deficient are 2 of the 3 absolute critical positions (which he said the 3 are O-line, linebacker and QB and QB is only one that is strong).

    On offense, he explained that no matter how much talent an offense has, it cannot be consistently effective if it struggles at Oline - - and that is especially the case if more than 1 guy on the o-line is struggling. He likened it to having an expensive sports car with all the best parts, but with flat tires. He said coaches have a saying, “never expect an offense to be more consistent than its weakest o-lineman”. I asked what a team can do when they have 2-3 o-linemen who consistently struggle and he said the only way to overcome that to some extent is if you have a really dynamic runner at QB. He said though he’s not a runner, he’s been very impressed with Mertz and thinks our WR’s and RB’s are good enough to play with anyone, including UGA. He’s been surprised Mertz has had as much success as he has had given the o-line struggles - he said he doesn’t think fans have any concept of just how good Mertz has been given the poor o-line play. In fact, he said the fact that the offense has averaged as many points as they have is one of the things that has him feeling good about the future (i.e. he believes this would be a top 5-10 offense if they even had last year’s line.

    Regarding Defense, he said likewise there is absolutely no question regarding of the main source our defensive struggles. Linebacker. He said the d-line has had a few struggles, but for the most part that hasn’t been the problem. In fact, he said especially given their youth and some guys having to play out of their natural position (due to injury at DE), the d-line has been a pleasant surprise and played well enough to win in most games. He said any defense coach will tell you that linebacker is the absolute key to ANY defense and it’s the one position on defense where, absent a dominant d-line (which he calls a “unicorn” in CFB) there is really not much you can do to scheme around poor linebacker personnel. Poor linebacker play has the exact same impact on defense as poor QB play has on offense. And he said our roster only had 1 real middle linebacker - Shemar. But even before he got hurt he was up and down, having some good moments (though he thinks Shemar will be good), but even he had a lot of inconsistent youthful moments. He said Shemar was the only guy who filled run gaps correctly with any consistency, so losing him went from bad to worse. He said if we just had two average to slightly above average SEC backers, the difference would be night and day. He loves Coach Armstrong’s system and aggressiveness, but said they just haven’t yet invented a defense that can overcome lack of linebackers.

    So I asked him, what can our coaches do in this situation with a roster deficient at o-line and linebacker. He said unsarcastically, “give up 500 yards each week and pray your offense plays perfectly.” In short, he said the fact that our roster weakness happens to be at 2 of 3 of the most critical areas, it makes the team look much worse than they are. He said UF will obviously upgrade those position groups next year and just doing that alone probably gets us 8-9. wins. He also said while the other positions have some consistency issues with the youth out there, our talent level at most anll other positions is surprisingly good. He is not a Gator homer but said if UF fans will be patient enough such that Billy can hold onto his current class of recruits, he would bet anyone UF will win an SEC title at least one time in the next 3 seasons and that he will play for at least one NC within 5 years. He said it’s unfortunate our roster deficiencies are at those 2 critical position groups as he felt strongly that UF is much, much closer than fans realize.
     
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  2. Mikog8tor

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    Thanks for sharing and taking the time to type all that out.
     
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  3. Distant Gator

    Distant Gator GC Hall of Fame

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    This actually makes a lot of sense to me.
    I've been really impressed with Mertz and this is 1 of many reasons I still think Napier will be ok.
     
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  4. fox

    fox GC Hall of Fame

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    Sounds about right. Naysayers will wince but the fact is we are over achieving because the effort and attitude has been good. I was impressed with the fire against LSU and it was winnable if not for Daniels. Give him credit.

    If we show up and make it a game against Missouri I will be impressed. Win or lose I expect to beat fsu at night in the Swamp.

    The roster turnover and lack of experience has us as a middle of the pack SEC team and the USC game showed it. It will take a couple of more years to get back to championship level.
     
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  5. traubgator

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    Has that coach seen our schedule next year, getting to 8-9 wins is going to be very difficult.
    I see 6 must wins, and that includes Kentucky (who we can't beat in the modern era): Miami, samford, UCF, Kentucky, Texas A&M and Miss State

    Everyone knows what happened last time we played Samford and UCF, but those 2 and Texas Am and miss state should be easy wins.
    Getting to 9 wins (not including a bowl game) would be a incredible season.
    If we win 9, build a statue!

    Miami
    Samford
    UCF
    UGA
    Kentucky
    LSU
    Ole Miss
    Texas AM
    Miss State
    Tenn
    FSU
    Texas
     
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  6. cocodrilo

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    UCF just beat Oklahoma State 45-3.
     
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  7. gatorwalrus

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    It makes sense if you think about portal activity. BN and staff made many acquisitions in those key area's, unfortunately the results have been disappointing outside of Mertz.
     
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  8. traubgator

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    yea, exactly getting to even 6 wins will be a task!

    8 wins would mean you probably beat 2 of the 3: lsu, ole miss and tenn
    9 wins means you beat all 3

    Getting to 8 will be extremely difficult. you can say the only true easy games are samford and miss state next season.
     
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  9. UF24ou14

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    Been saying over and over since the Tennessee game that our defensive problems is due to weak LB play.
     
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  10. stabnburn23

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    9 will take some lucky bounces. But 8 is attainable. If the team takes even a moderate step forward (not a tall ask considering the youth and lack of experience) the only sure losses I see are UGA and Texas.

    Of course, that's assuming holes get properly addressed in the off season.
     
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  11. HisDoc

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    I think that is a fair assesment. I think our LB recruiting, even without Waller, will help very soon. But I am less optimistic of the OL. We'll have to portal our way out of this mess, and I don't have much confidence that we will be able to.
     
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  12. Wanne15

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    Oline will be expensive and competitive in the portal. All the elite teams will be bidding and we may have to overpay a bit to get them.
     
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  13. Wanne15

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    We probably need a good portal lb too. Shemar hopefully will be 100% but he’s still growing into that role. The freshmanRobinson I think it is isn’t pkaying and we have three freshmen coming in that are very talented but expecting freshmen to anchor a defense is a lot to ask.
     
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  14. KronoGator

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    Eh, South Alabama beat Oklahoma State 33-7, UCF not yet bowl eligible just like us.
     
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  15. UFGator05

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    Then why hasn't he recruited LB and OL better? I give him credit with Mertz
     
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  16. GatorKWM

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    Excellent write-up. The one thing I'm skeptical about is the "UF will obviously upgrade those position groups next year". I wish I could believe that, but with the way the second half of the season is pounding us, along with how difficult it is to hold onto elite prospects (especially OL), it just doesn't look good. Whatever we need to do to get the top OL talent, we need to do it. They're certainly not gonna come because of our W-L record.
     
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  17. ETGator

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    Thanks @Gatorcarson . . . just now realized you posted this. Some welcome good news, especially considering the background of the person telling you these things.
     
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  18. bobbybaker86

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    It will get better next year
     
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  19. audiogatorjim

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    Thanks for a very informative post; I’m actually more upbeat after reading this!
    A good example of the importance in the OL can be seen in last Sundays 49’s dismantling of Jax’s OL. They had at least 5 sacks and was in their backfield all day; Lawrence was completely out of sorts and had little time to do much of anything. Jax OL was mauled and you can see how the game was lost (in addition to 4 turnovers)
    So, good OL play may not be a predictor of a win but it surely can often foretell a beat-down.
     
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  20. gatrfanzz

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    I am just wondering why the players we have now aren't improving to their ability. Are they that bad?