If you watched the Gators during the Spurrier & Meyer years, you know the story about how highly penalized those teams were in comparison to other SEC good ole boyz. Since you claim not to know this, I'll assume you weren't watching or are just making stuff up.
I think the correct call is an incomplete pass, though it is far from conclusive. I think the refs are afraid of opening that Pandora’s box of “how much contact with the ground is permissible”. Remember, the onus is on the receiver to make a catch, not on the ground to cause an incompletion. In other words, it’s an incomplete pass until proven otherwise and the video replay doesn’t prove otherwise.
The ball can hit the ground on a catch once a player secures control. It was close, but you'd need indisputable evidence to overturn the call on the field…and what was presented in the replays were not indisputable evidence. The call should've "STOOD," not "CONFIRMED" nor "OVERTURNED." It's really that simple.
Does anyone know the definitive rule on a safety? I'm curious if the entire ball has to be behind the plane of the goal line for it to be called. In this image, the tip of the ball appears to be at the plane of the goal line.
Entire football needs to be outside of the goal line. If part of the football is on the goal line, its a safety. In this case, its where the ball is when the defender makes initial contact on the tackle (since the tackle pushes Travis further backwards, he gets forward progress where the tackle beings). Replay clearly shows ball over the goal line when tackle begins, obvious safety to everyone except the refs (or maybe it was obvious to them too...).
From what i understand, the entire ball has to be out of the end zone for it to not be a safety. I. A10, after receiving the snap in his own end zone, is downed with the ball resting on his goal line, its forward point being in the field of play. RULING: Safety. A part of the dead ball is on the ball carrier’s goal line. RULE 8 - Scoring :: NCAA Football Rules Online
Given this, there can be little doubt that Miami should have been awarded a safety. So to those who doubt the conference / $$$ conspiracies . . . What say you? Was this just a random error?
random errors often happen at the wrong time. Maybe not condo but almost everyone makes the same call there. Inconclusive…. Why does the official disagree with almost every set of eyes on the planet. Some people just want to believe the world is slap full of Horst people. Everything is isolated instances.
Maybe spurrier just got on their nerves and they loaded him with penalties. I don’t pretend to know why Jackson’s catch was overturned but it was complete bs. The guy knows his call was shit just like everyone else that watched it. Why did he intentionally make the wrong call? Of course I have no idea but I don’t believe he’s a complete idiot which would be the other option.
Someone posted a breakdown here a while back that showed total penalties by previous coaches at their gigs before and after florida and it was pretty interesting. Spurrier teams at Duke and SC were penalized significantly less. Zook’s Illinois team was penalized less. Meyer’s bowling green, utah, and osu teams were all penalized less. Muschamp’s SC teams were penalized less. Guess it could be that those guys were just better at coaching disciplined teams at their stops before and after here, or maybe it’s something else. With all the pruning they do here, it’s hard to find old posts. I couldn’t find it in a quick search, but do remember it being one of the first times I distinctly saw a pattern that was hard to explain.
I'm not a fan of alleging corruption/foul play without evidence, so even though I've said it was a bad call I'll try to show why maybe the ACC refs called it how they did: First, a video of the play for those that haven't watched it: The key is to find the instant where the Miami defender first touches Travis as he's tackling him. Travis is rocking the ball back and forth as he scrambles. When the ball is forward in his rocking, it's outside the endzone. When its back in his rock, its over the goal line. It's possible the defender's contact begins in this frame below, a split second before Travis rocks the ball further backwards over the goal line. Before you attack me, I don't think the UM defender's hand has contacted Travis's shoulder yet in this frame, and in the next frame the ball is back over the goal line and the defender has definitely made contact so it should have been a safety. But this could be why they chose not to make it a safety, i.e. it wasn't conclusive this wasn't the right spot where contact was initiated.
I think what you meant was it’s a completed pass(that’s is what the call was on the field) and it’s up to replay to conclusively prove otherwise. Which it did not IMHO. Play should have stood.
Oh I agree with what you’re saying. I was responding to the guy up thread who proclaimed the ball never touched the ground, we can all see it did. But like you said there wasn’t enough evidence to say he didn’t have possession BEFORE it touched the ground.
