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Jackson: Catch - No Catch

Discussion in 'RayGator's Swamp Gas' started by Rkb75, Nov 12, 2023.

  1. swampbabe

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    This isn’t a science experiment. The evidence for my claim is that the conference makes money from bowl payouts. Better bowl = more money. I’m not sure why the struggle
     
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  2. scubagator

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    I did the statistical analysis that proves bias a few years ago, but that laptop had an issue with the motherboard. Essentially, the amount of penalties called against our team is so far outside the normal range of all college teams.over a number of years versus the distribution of penalties called against teams that if you simulate 1000 seasons you would end up with our number of penalties in such a small number of cases that we're either winning the bad luck penalty lottery or getting hosed by the refs. If I have enough time I can try to run it again, but I need to go get all the penalty data which is a pain..
     
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  3. GatorRade

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    I guess if this isn’t science that has clear evidence, I’m wondering why you are so certain about the answer. It seems you are making the assumption that if a conference can make more money by something, they will do no matter how difficult or unethical. Applying this logic to medicine, we would likely conclude that disease is faked by the medical community to make more money. And what if the systemic study that I am advocating finds that most calls go against the favored teams? It seems to me that since your argument rests entirely on the assumption that a conference will break any rule for extra money, then no amount of empirical evidence could falsify it.

    We do know that basically all sports fans think the refs are biased against them, because this actually can be treated as a scientific question: Why rival sports fans experience the same game differently: It's a primitive brain reaction

    We also have some evidence that successful teams get slightly better treatment from officials even in sports without conference refs, suggesting perhaps a misattribution of motives even if there were a real empirical effect: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fspor.2020.00019

    And again, I think the SEC might make more money if Florida were a successful team. So in the end, I don’t think it’s too crazy to ask for more evidence of this claim before just assuming it to be so.
     
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  4. GatorRade

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    Oh that’s really cool. It did seem like that Florida led the league in pentalities for some freaky number of years in a row. A third explanation for this pattern might be that Florida was just undisciplined, though I recall this trend lasting through more than one coach, which would seem to make that less likely.

    And interestingly, this pattern you describe would also seem to go against the hypothesis that the too teams alway get the calls, as Florida was undoubtably the top team during many of the years you studied. In this way, your finding presents more like an anti-Florida bias than an anti-underdog bias.
     
  5. denny_crane

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    I would wager the ACC sends the FSU-Miami crew in 2 weeks. They've already laid the groundwork..
     
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  6. gatormonk

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  7. swampbabe

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    Watch an FSU game this year.
     
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  8. easycoastgator

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    Not sure if anyone else mentioned yet or not, but I was furious about us not immediately snapping the ball after the “catch.” Someone in the booth for us needs to send it down to the field “hey coach, that one was close. We’re at a critical juncture here. Snap the ball. QB sneak if have to.”
     
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  9. gator_n_sc

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    BS review reversals have been too common lately. I need someone to explain to me what indisputable means I guess
     
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  10. lurkingator1

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    based on the review I have seen (not just the ones that went against the gators) they should go back to making the call on the field and let it stand , these review have added nothing to the accuracy of a call in any many Mind numbing instances they are worst , I E the call they made in the FSU Miami game sooooo bad after that just give it up the QB was clearly in the endzone for a safety
     
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  11. zman-1

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    Hey, if that helps you sleep at night, go for it. I choose not to whistle past the graveyard. Not calling out this travesty only encourages them to continue. I respect that you are clearly entitled to an opinion.
     
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  12. Claygator

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    Florida was the most penalized team in the SEC for DECADES under multiple different coaches. Is that systematic enough for you?
     
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  13. zman-1

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    Wait till this FSU game with a playoff spot on the line! It will make the Swindle in the Swamp look like jay walking.
     
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  14. zman-1

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    Winner, winner!!! The broadcast booth kept discussing ball movement, but never talked about the ball actually touching the ground. No video provided in that broadcast did either. This call came from Birmingham.
     
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    Obviously, we woulda won if the refs didn’t screw us there. We had Daniels contained and LSU would not have put 700+ yards on us without that fateful call. Game was stolen from us. Birmingham stole it. Pay no attention to the 700+ yards. LSU could not have accomplished that without the zebras.
     
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  17. gatorwalrus

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    The reviews have somehow been worse than the calls on the field. The 3rd down respot was IMO still more egregious than this catch overturn. I still disagree with the targeting penalty too. The argument of we didn't lose because of the refs has no bearing on whether or not the call was wrong.
     
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  18. yellowboy90

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    It looks like the nose of the ball touched the ground while he was sliding and the ball continues to move once he is on his back. I think the calk would've stood if there was no movement while he was sliding on his back after the ball touched the ground.
     
  19. swampbabe

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    Thank you. I’m always amazed that some people can’t hold two different ideas in their heads at the same time. That was a crappy call as was the No call on LSU for a late hit on Johnson.

    Doesn’t mean that we would have won, it just means that they were bad calls.
     
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  20. zman-1

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    Yes, it did negatively impact our drive --->punt. Followed by LSU td. It took the wind out of UF's sails. Also, it prematurely required UF' defense back on field. Giving the ball back to LSU contributed to their 700 yards. UF maintains the ball, perhaps scoring, could have changed the outcome of the game. I had no preconceived notion that UF would win. LSU has been blasting everyone with their offense, yet UF was within reach when all of this went down. If you don't think it impacted the game, I can't help you. Would UF have won had the call not been overturned? Probably not, but to imply it was of no consequence, is just plain ludicrous.
     
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