I don’t think the country has been taken over by pro-Hamas people (hope not). But it is a complex issue and plenty of room for someone to recognize and have sympathy for the people living in Gaza and to be completely anti-Hamas. However I have been surprised , saddened, and angry at the support for Hamas on college campuses and in the streets of some cities here and internationally. The depth of that support though speaks somewhat to the large gap between concern for the people in Gaza and being pro-Hamas.
Perhaps even more ironic the same righties who call themselves "prolife" and express concern for "unborn" babies frequently support legislation reducing WIC benefits, a program that specifically provides assistance to pregnant women and infants. Similarly, those righties very often use the derogatory terms like "irresponsible" and "parasite" to refer to low-income pregnant women while expressing concern for their babies, including fetuses.
I think a fair assessment of the pro-choice side is that they support a compromise- the choice belongs to the mother UP TO some fetal developmental stage - after that only to save the life of the woman or fetal non-viability. If there is an absolutist position it is the anti-choice side who would prohibit all abortions - except maybe to save the woman’s life - a tiny compromise in my view. Decisions about abortion are deeply personal and that is where the effort to reduce abortions belongs - convincing women there are better alternatives person to person and not passing broad laws that affect all women - regardless of circumstance.
Democrats show where they stand!!!! Unfettered abortion for all!! Younkin actually wants what most of the country says they want. A restriction after a certain point on the pregnancy and I believe his is like 15 weeks. Just as we are seeing the hate and antisemitism coming out in liberals, we are seeing they want to be able to decide on the way to the hospital, abortion clinic or OB. I wish you would just own it if that is how you feel.
“Taken over” by college protests (including decent numbers of Jewish students calling for peace). Nah. Don’t think those Jewish students are pro-Hamas. There are definitely some rabble rousers among them (those that rip down posters or are more confrontational). Probably some domestic Muslims that do have a more hard-line take, as well as the typical Neo Nazi’s that never saw an anti-Semitic angle they didn’t want to exploit. This is the reason we should be on high alert against domestic terror threats. Certainly at the political level it’s not even close. Even Tlaib as a Palestinian I think is clearly not “pro Hamas” - although unless she renounces the “from sea to sea” bs she deserves to be censured for that. I don’t like her equivocation, even if the rest of her take is understandable - esp with her background.
Ohio vote was NOT close. With more than 99% of precincts reporting early Wednesday, the amendment was passing with 56.35% of the vote, or 2.14 million voters out of more than 3.8 million who had cast ballots in the race. A 5% advantage is considered big in elections. Remember now that Biden had 45% of the vote in 2020. GOP - moms, dads, adult repubs - voted for this amendment. VA house and senate: Sort of not really, and a flip of the house. Kentucky - The last 5 KY governor elections - have all predicted the Pres race... a nearly 5% victory is huge in ruby red Kentucky. Like KY (blue) trouncing Bama (red) I spend $$ in politics. None of what you wrote .. all of the calls I was on since TH night were foretelling these results. Remember now, anything over 4-5% is considered a big win, votes wise. Monday's call and Tuesday's calls inside the dem strategy situation rooms were very upbeat. Same thing in 2022
I understand you are upset with the election results but this is mostly hyperbolic. Unfettered abortions is not a position I’ve heard discussed or read about. Deciding on the way to the hospital? No.
Read a little deeper!!! Nearly all legislation and discussion from practically all the right politicians is to restrict it after a certain point of the pregnancy. Are there some that want an all-out ban? Yes, there is, but the lion share only want the ban with exceptions after a certain point. We can disagree on the point of pregnancy but for the most part they range from 6 weeks to 20 weeks. Show me one prominent democrat that voiced a ban after a certain point of the pregnancy. They will not because the loons want to be able to make the decision right up to birth. Don't spout some BS statistics on how few happen late term, if you are against as a politician say it.
I'm a resident of Virginia and although Youngkin's proposal seems like a reasonable compromise on its face it would have effect of a denying a woman experiencing a serious medical problem although not immediately life threatening from a receiving a medically necessary abortion. Paraphrasing what one doctor said that even in the case of a woman experiencing premature labor with which result in a miscarriage with the certain death of the fetus and the potential for a life threatening hemorrhage the way antiabortion statutes are worded doctors would have to wait until the woman was literally on death's door. Putting to proverbial ball back in your court do you think that's really a reasonable compromise? Personally I would have no problem with the Youngkin proposal provided that it includes a provision providing a doctor performing an abortion based on medical necessity with qualified immunity i.e. the presumption would be that the doctor acted in the best interest of the patient and that if the state wants to prosecute it would have prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the abortion was truly elective.
And a lot of prolife Republicans would have no problem with these outcomes. Death of a dentist in Ireland denied an abortion has worried doctors who say history may repeat in U.S. Polish state has ‘blood on its hands’ after death of woman refused an abortion They implicitly believe that all lives are equal and an occasional maternal death is a price worth paying to save all of the "unborn" babies.
The notion that "libs" support third trimester abortions is absurd although it is a great line when appealing to the willfully ignorant.
20 weeks I actually see as totally reasonable, right in the core of the moral grey zone as I see it. But it’s telling that you lump in 6-20 weeks as if all that is equally reasonable. Here in FL, where I’m sure most of us live - they are trying to push a 6 week ban upon women. Which is as good as a total ban as it barely gives women time to even realize they may be pregnant. That there are states going next level crazy (targeting morning after pill, contraceptives) doesn’t make 6 weeks any less so.
Good grief, the amount of ridiculous whining about fiction this thread today. No, the country has not been taken over by people celebrating the Hamas murders. Teachers are not indoctrinating students. There is not massive liberal outcry calling for unfettered abortions right up until birth. And do you really want to talk about antisemitism on the right? Because that's certainly not new and there's no shortage of it. I mean, good grief.
You see, the problem is that there were things on the ballot that people cared about. Then you have to deal with democracy. https://www.mediamatters.org/rick-s...-abortion-and-marijuana-were-ballot-ohio-pure
