Election Fraud by the Democrats??

I agree with the both sides argument but disagree with the “not accepting” argument. When the Dems continue to falsely proclaim there was no voter fraud in 2020, they are accepting all the known voter fraud simply because they speculate “it didn’t impact the election”.

Let me pose this a different way…

Imagine you go to vote next year and you have your hair nice and rainbowed, a “love is love” shirt on you bought from Target, and your “orange man bad” hat on. You fill out your ballot and hand your vote to the cowboy behind the desk at the polling place…

and he rips up your vote and tosses it in the trash.


How do feel about that?

I would kick that cowboys ass for you.

That is institutional voter fraud, and it impacted both of us. Your vote wasn’t counted and my Country’s Democratic process was attacked.

 

Simply false.
Otherwise, the fact that you are willing to post on a message board, over and over again, that you are opposed to crime is truly admirable.

 

There are people driving 67 mph in a 65 mph zone despite enforcement efforts. How much of a national effort should we devote to an infraction of so little import?

We will never have a 100% clean national election. The few documented instances of people committing voter fraud really don’t matter in an election decided by tens of thousands in a state or millions nationally. It really is a great illustration of perfect being the enemy of the good - or very good.

 

Your damn right, just like there is no difference if Trump is murdered or if a NYC crack whore is murdered.

They were both murdered. Justice must be blind, or it isn’t Justice.

The criminal codes I am familiar with do not care about consequences in the crime charged. You may have a different charge if you hurt someone while speeding, but that is a different crime altogether, or an additur to an existing crime…all spelled out in the criminal code. But if you get a ticket for speeding it is no defense to tell the judge “but no-one got hurt” because he won’t care.

 

so now you want to compare exceeding the speed limit by 2mph to someone ripping up your vote before your eyes?

 

So do you believe that the State and the court were way too lenient when they agreed to pretrial diversion for the residents of the Villages who knowingly committed election fraud by voting twice? Considering the way you feel about the gravity of the crime would justice have been better served if they spent time behind bars?

 

You are continuing with the false premise anyone here has suggested “nothing should be done” when real voter fraud is actually found. Nobody has said that.

I would also point out only one side of the isle (predominantly) relies on policy making it “legally” harder for the other side to vote, or to have their vote count for anything (pseudo legal bullshit like: gerrymandering, limiting polling stations, purging active voters on arbitrary means). Maybe not as blatant as your cowboy hat friend, but fundamentally not all that different in purpose. I don’t see you kicking ass, more likely you would justify those actions.

 

How about exceeding the speed limit by 40 mph?

 

Simply True. Get your head out of your tush and pay attention.

and yes, I am against all crime…but for different reasons than simply “crime bad”. I love what our system of government is supposed to be. Collectively we get to decide what constitutes a crime. We rely upon our elected officials to carry out our wishes.

we really suck at it.

we can do better.

 

proof is in the puddin’ bro.

and if you want to bring on the voter id argument of making it harder to vote, bring it….because that is beyond ridiculous and insulting. Dare I say it is clearly racist.

 

that’s a crime that will put you in jail and suspend your license….what is your point?

 

So let me get this straight. You admit that Democrats start threads about voter fraud in the Villages, and then complain that Democrats never acknowledge voter fraud.
Well that just makes all kinds of sense.

 

I didn’t say they don’t acknowledge it, I said both parties don’t do Jack shit about it

 

Ironically a number of states led by the party that complains the most about voter fraud have withdrawn from an interstate agreement intended to prevent it my current state of residence having done so following the election of a Republican governor.
Virginia joins list of GOP states leaving bipartisan effort to combat voter fraud amid conspiracies

 

your response is demonstrative of the problem that I am writing about. It seems like when you use terms like “the party who complains about it the most”, you’re referring to the GOP, and you’re doing so in a backhanded, derogatory manner. This is the root of the problem. You, and others, don’t take voter fraud seriously. Both parties should complain about it equally.

 

The reason that I mentioned the GOP is because the Republican Party at least since Trump became a national political figure has been the party that focused on supposed massive voter fraud. The real reason is that Trump's narcissistic personality disorder is such that he is incapable of accepting that fact that he could lose an election. Even in 2016 when Trump was elected to the presidency he complained of voter fraud floating the absurd narrative that he would have won the popular vote were it not for voter fraud mainly be illegal aliens.

AP report: Trump advances false claim that 3-5 million immigrants voted illegally
Trump claims immigrants are voting illegally. The real problem is foreign fatcats funding US campaigns
Fact check: Trump falsely claims California is sending mail-in ballots to undocumented immigrants

In case you may have forgotten Kris Kobach, the Kansas Secretary of State was Trump's point man in the effort to uncover the nonexistent fraud and he ultimately failed.
How the Case for Voter Fraud Was Tested — and Utterly Failed — ProPublica
Trump’s Voter Fraud Commission Is Gone, But Scrutiny Will Continue — ProPublica

 

Flawed logic considering the right wing cries of “massive voter fraud” has been proven to be based in lies, if not outright designed to actually undermine confidence in fair elections. Its only purpose is to animate a base of sheepish/moronic individuals into believing something was stolen from them, despite no evidence in support of that whatsoever. This is like saying both parties should be equally concerned with “ending CRT” or attack trans/gays just because it’s the right wing propoganda issue du jour to want to use big guv to “save” is from these things.

In reality most “normies” don’t give a shit about any of this stuff, and barely a majority of Americans even bother to vote at all.

 

But this further demonstrates my point. You attach an article from the AP which reports to claim that Trump‘s claim of 3.5 million fraudulent vote by immigrants is “false.”

the writer of that article, as well as the majority of the American people, don’t understand what the term “false” means. They confuse false with unsubstantiated.

the entire false premise of your article is laid out in the very first sentence, in which it claims that Trump, “without evidence,” made such a claim. “Without Evidence” is not the same as false in any sense of the word.

neither side of this debate can claim that voter fraud impacted, or didn’t impact, the end result of the election, because there isn’t sufficient evidence, one way or the other. This is because there aren’t adequate records, uniformly kept, by all of the voting precinct throughout all of the counties and states. this is where universal voter ID laws come into play, and could eliminate the argument from both sides.

 

proven? LOL

read my other post. The only thing you have proven is that you don’t know what the word proven means.

 

How many court cases did Trump lose regarding the 2020 election?