At the game. At the end of regulation, made a 1st down and then the silliness began. Truly thought we would not get a shot at the FG due to the penalty and 10 sec runoff. Explanation was that the clock was stopped, but the Ref had marked the ball for play, clock starts and Metz clocks it. was this a gift from the refs.
Since the clock was stopped with the first down there was no ten second run off. Ten second run off is used only when clock is still running. Technically, if the ball had been placed down and refs started the clock then yes, 10 second run off applies. Technically, I think the clock should have started before snap and thus the penalty should have included 10 second run off but refs didn’t see it that way.
Which begs another question the announcers touched on but didn't go into any detail. Let's say in that situation the offense actually wants to sub out for the FG team, the defense can sub out too. What if the defense subs out at a purposefully slow pace and time runs out even if the offense is set up for the kick? This is when the offense didn't pick up a 1st down and clock is running down and no timeouts.
I feel like Pittman had a legitimate gripe there. I guess it was poetic justice we missed the fg. What gets lost is the good end of regulation drive by the offense.
What we do know if that the cluster $%@! of players running on & off the field cost us five valuable yards, making the FG that much more difficult. Add to that the botched extra pt and it's obvious that where ST had a chance to win this game, it did not.
That was just poor coaching in part of Billy’s staff. The field goal team should not have run out on the field in mass on that play. Inexcusable. The AD should demand the game change coordinator be fired
This. For a 10 second runoff to be applied, the penalty has to be the reason the clock stopped. The refs decided the clock was still stopped from the first down when the players came from the sideline to the formation and began to leave, so no runoff. I thought that was "generous" to UF since the refs were restarting the clock when the extra players started to run off the field, but it was a weird play overall so its hard to nitpick the refs on it.
We kind of got what we deserved in the end. Ark deserved the win by mashing us at the end and in OT while we just watched. We once again snatched defeat out of the jaws of victory.
I think 10 seconds should have been run off. The refs did explain it, but I would have been pissed if I had been on the other side. What was not explained is why they did not get a chance to sub. If they sub, there is no way you get the play off in 8 seconds even with the clock stopped for the 1st down. Pittman was complaining about both of these. Both of these should have meant end of regulation, no FG chance. Also, when they assessed the penalty I thought it was the wrong call to bring in the FG kicker at that point. We should have stopped the clock with an incomplete pass. Pittman changed that by calling a timeout after the penalty (I would not have), but with 8 seconds and the clock starting on the Ref signal, the kick could have been a little rushed. It was 1st down, why not stop the clock before the kick?
Illegal substitution by the offense is called/enforced right when it happens, not at the snap. So if its called correctly, it would interrupt any holding of the snap for the defensive subs. In this instance, I think the refs were (understandably) confused by the whole thing when it happened that they threw the flag at the snap and then had to talk about it to figure out what the right thing to do was. Even if the refs held the snap and allowed the clock to expire, its possible they would have talked and come back to this ruling anyways bc once the FG players ran on and ran off, the infraction happened and is enforce right then. If UF was in fact rushing their FG unit on for a last-second FG, there's an approved ruling that provides an exception in this case that the defense is not granted time to substitute (see Section 5 - Article 2): But once those FG players ran off, that immediately became an illegal substitution.
Then the team on offense deserves to lose because of extremely poor clock management that could have been totally prevented by leaving the offense out there to spike the ball.
I agree with this and was yelling at the TV. I was relieved to see the timeout called. This may be a dumb question, but why was it an illegal substitution penalty to begin with? There was no huddle so it couldn’t be breaking the huddle with more than 11. The penalty was called before the snap so it couldn’t be that the ball was snapped with more than 11 on the field. If all the FG guys got off the field prior to the snap then there would have been no penalty, right?
Agreed, I've always heard that the best way to fix a leadership issue is to skirt the chain of command and render your staff powerless in view of their team.
It was explained by the head ref in the game. The clock was NOT moving when the penalty occurred, therefor NO 10 second clock runoff.
That low snap was NOT that hard to handle, I used to do that in high school (among several other positions on Special teams... kick returner, punt returner etc etc...) and had many much harder snaps to deal with and recovered to where our kicker made the field goals. Our Gator guy panicked...
Probably not. The referee has the discretion to call a delay of game penalty if the defense does not substitute promptly. When Team A has completed its offensive formation, Team B must promptly position its personnel. Team B will be allowed time to complete substitutions. RULING: Either team is subject to a delay-of-game foul—Team B for not completing its substitutions promptly (Rule 3-4-2-b-3) or Team A for causing the 25-second clock to expire. Penalty—Five yards from the succeeding spot. Late in the first half Team A is out of timeouts. A pass play on third down ends inbounds at the B-25 short of the line to gain with the game clock showing 0:10. Facing fourth down and three, Team A immediately hurries its field goal team onto the field. RULING: Team B should reasonably expect that Team A will attempt a field goal in this situation and should have its field-goal defense unit ready. The umpire will not stand over the ball, as there should be no issue of the defense being uncertain about the next play.
