Romney book/ Kinzinger

you’re partially correct. And partially incorrect. I am not in the Trump is great camp. But neither I am in the Trump is a criminal camp. I have never voted for Trump, but I don’t have any real issues with him. I think he is better than Biden….but any of my Giant Schnauzers would be a better POTUS than Biden (and probably Trump too).

But I am in the camp where I will defend people who get attacked by partisan talking points. This is a very liberal board by members who participate in posting, so I try to balance it out and focus my ire primarily on the left. But I could (and have) put the other hat on when needed. I am a red blooded libertarian who leans right on many things, left on a few things but always tries to consider personal liberty as the benchmark. I hate the 2 party political system we ar3 stuck with.

 

False. You are trying to make some statement about black slaveholders selling them to white slave traders, but far more than 5% of all slaves in the US were never in Africa, as they were born into slavery in the US (or, alternatively, born in another area of the Americas before transport to the US). Pretty awful logic fail on your part. So, to answer your last question: no, you don't appear to be talking history here.

 

Your point or at least the way I construed was that referring to Obama was black was illogical since he is biracial. My response was that historically biracial persons have been considered Black and I was pointed out in a latter post using the example of Patrick Mahomes still are considered Black.

 

practically every slave brought to the United States was previously owned by a black person. Likewise, the overwhelming majority 98%+ of African slaves were enslaved by other black Africans. African slaves arrived in our North America in the 1600s. There have been many papers about slave birth rates in America, but there are virtually no records, so pretty much every number which can be thrown out is a guess, and most papers acknowledge that.

My point is slavery, and slavery in America (2 different things) are much more complicated than simply proclaiming white people enslaved black people. That is a kindergarten explanation.

 

and my point was logic. Obama is no more black than he is White. It makes no difference how he chooses to identify. If he decided he was an Eskimo do we all have to ply along?

 

The claim made was false. Also, an understanding of slavery that doesn't recognize the differences between African slavery (which was generally temporary and was not generally inter-generational) and the form of slavery in the US, where people born into slavery were generally themselves slaves) and the role of a market developed by Europeans in the Americas is itself a fairly elementary understanding of the issue.

 

I don’t think Trump did anything different than his predecessors. I don’t think he has any culpability for anything involving Jan 6. People with free will are not controlled by Trump. I believe the claims against Trump are petty, and according to the polls, so do the majority of the American people. I believe the prosecution/persecution of Trump could lead to a type of civil war and irreparably damage our Country.

 

seriously…..

SMH

 

And you claimed that 95% of slaves in America once had a black owner. That is false. BTW, also false when discussing slavery overall.

 

And? How can I help you see the light? A few brews and some tacos?

 

Not false at all. Also, your attempts to distinguish slavery by drawing attention to birth slavery is disgusting, unless of course you can identify a form of slavery that is better than being born into it.

 

Quite a rant, Comrade, but the only thing you and other reactionaries have convinced me of is the mortal danger you pose to democracy and the American way of life.

I've always had faith in the good and decent people of America, and I'm confident they won't let the forces of evil - and, yes, your philosophy is evil - destroy this country.

 

You live in reality and are never arrogant and condescending. You're one of the most balanced posters on TH and resist being pigeonholed. In fact, you're the exact opposite of UFLawyer.

 

If you don’t know me then you don’t really know my beliefs, and your facts are yours, not necessarily mine. Contrary to popular belief, facts are not absolute. Instead they are skewed by our perceptions.

think I’m crazy? Try this simple test at Thanksgiving with you family. Take an object with a unique color and shape. Hand everyone a piece of paper with the same questions on it, such as what is the color, what is shape, what is weight, what is dimension, etc. If you have 8 family members you will get 8 different answers. You asked simple factual questions and you will not get a single identical response.

as for Trump, my reality is I don’t really care. This crap is nothing but a distraction, and imo is being used to divide America. I posted a few months ago that I think we are headed to a violent civil war “light.” I think the people on the left and with wealth are going to get a rude, painful and in some instances deadly awakening. I hope I wrong. I believe we will have a simultaneous race and class brawl.

 

That's just sad dude. You were wrong. You said that 95% of slaves in America were owned by a black person. You seem to have forgotten about the ones born here, who never were, who were the vast majority of slaves by abolition, a time at which about 40% of slaves lived, because slave importation was outlawed more than 40 years prior. You can't even vaguely come close to that number if you include slaves born here. So you were just wrong and now think you can argue your way out of it. Good luck, but you will need it because you are going to have to hand wave really fast to distract people from your absurd claim, which was obviously false.

Perhaps you needed to get a major instead of a minor in history.