Netanyahu tells Israel ‘We are at war’ after Hamas launches an unprecedented attack, killing at leas

how many civilian deaths are acceptable to eliminate a bad guy or a C & C center? is there a cost benefit analysis to be performed or does the cost not matter?

 

The goal is less deaths as possible which is the reason for special ops

 

So let's get more Israeli's killed. Got it.

 

It's amazing those arguing against Israel defending themselves don't bring this up. Instead expect Israel do lay down their weapons and hope Hamas let's the hostages go. Dumb.

 

Israel should try to minimize them to the extent it reasonably can, but no, I don’t think there should be any hard “that’s too many.”

Israel doesn’t have to just accept that it has to live with a quasi-state literally governed by a terrorist organization simply because Hamas has successfully embedded itself into civilian infrastructure to such a degree that it can’t be reached without also causing unwanted casualties.

 

Special operators aren’t a magical solution here. Yes, they’re one tool in the tool box, but it’s definitely not in Israel’s interests to try to fight Hamas on Hamas’s terms, in the manner Hamas wants - particularly when that manner would mean just dumping Israeli soldiers into a labyrinth of hundreds of miles of underground tunnels that Hamas has constructed for the sole purpose of protecting itself and ambushing Israeli soldiers.

 

Well the thing is it did accept that and operated under that mindset for a long time (and in fact cultivated Hamas' power to avoid a two-state solution). Israel thought they had the issue contained, and that the Palestinians could be ignored and the problem sidestepped. They were confident enough to engage with the Saudis and other Arab nations in the US orbit. They really could have just built better walls and revamped their security efforts, probably would have banked a lot of goodwill from not overreacting, and normalization continues, and Hamas' gambit fails. Now they are on track to potentially blow up the Abraham Accords and possibly plunge the region into wider conflict, and whatever blowback comes of that. But instead, like 9/11 they used the attack as pretext to do some of the projects of the most right-wing elements of their country and government, the fantasies of the crooks, fascists, racists and zealots of the Israeli far right.

 

I don't think Hamas cares about civilian deaths in Gaza, much less in Israel. That doesn't eliminate the very difficult ethical and strategic considerations Israel is evaluating and the decisions it is having to make.

 

How do you propose special ops operate? Parachute into Gaza, search for entry into tunnels, and fight Hamas on its own terms. Too many dead Israelis if they did that. No thanks. No army has a duty to take on unacceptable casualties like you propose.

 

war mongers. You started by offering every excuse In the world for what happened October 7. You ignored any bit of information counter to your narrative and you continue to do so. What you post are nothing less than blood libels.

 

It want one guy. It was dozens of terrorists. And a command and control center. Save your wrath for Hamas who put it there. No country has to sacrifice its people because another country uses human shields to wage war. Hamas launched tens of thousands of missiles from Gaza in addition to the atrocities documented. How many would be dead if Israel didn’t have an iron dome? How many will die in the future if Israel let’s Hamas survive? How many Israelis die under your proposed tactics? You can’t even see how your idea cheapens Jewish lives and blames Israel for the strategy chosen by Hamas.

 

By the way. They are use of special ops. It is how they located this command and control center

 

So I just heard some facts that blew my mind and made me dislike Netanyahu even more.

Listening to this Israeli podcast (in English). Apparently, there is a permanent Israeli government post for handling hostage situations, which the ruling coalition had not filled due to it not being a priority (according to the podcast). Moreover, when they realized they needed to fill the position after 10/7, they bypassed an individual all realized who would be undisputedly the most qualified to put in a far Right individual with no hostage experience but whose loyalty to Netanyahu is unquestioned.

A lot of other hostage issues discussed, but wow on that.



The “Jangled Nerves” Edition - The Promised Podcast.

 

Why are Jewish lives more valuable than Palestinian lives? If killing civilians to defend yourself is justified, what is the difference between Hamas and the IDF? Same cheapening of human life in pursuit of a violent political goal. There is nothing special about Jews or Palestinians that makes some violence more righteous than other violence.

 

. Wow. You are so transparent. It is so easy to get you to out yourself.
No nation has to sacrifice it’s people to save the lives of a nation whose government chooses to wage war on it. Hamas is the government of Gaza.

 

Because he completely missed the point. It's a given the Hamas terrorists don't care about these civilians other than as disposable shields. If anyone is going to care about what happens to them, the source of that concern will necessarily come from another entity/group.

 

Why can’t you answer the question? The justifications for violence sound the same from both sides, and the best anyone can come up with is middle school reasons like ‘they started it.’ It’s like the schoolyard bully who says ‘stop hitting yourself.’

 

No question about that. The issue is, however, who should face those consequences?