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So we have a new House Speaker

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by danmanne65, Oct 25, 2023.

  1. dangolegators

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    Right and left can't coexist on social media. Musk is finding out what happens when you don't police right-wing misinformation and hate speech. The normal people leave and all that's left is a right-wing cesspool. We had our own version of it here when this board was dominated by right-wingers. But in our case the right-wingers left because they felt they were being mistreated by the moderators. Poor things, they couldn't bully and insult with impunity anymore. So they left to create their own right-wing cesspool on another site.
     
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  2. Gator715

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    Not if they don't have the capital to finance a working product to compete with the giants.

    People have shown over the past decade that they're quite willing to provide business to people who hate them.

    It's not enough to just say you want them as fans, you need to provide a competitive product.
     
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  3. gator_lawyer

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    But there are plenty of "conservatives" who have capital. If the market and profitability are there, why aren't they jumping in?
     
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  4. Gator715

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    They probably are, they're just not big to the point you or I have heard of them.

    Musk bought Twitter. He's probably not alone.
     
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  5. gator_lawyer

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    I've heard of numerous extraordinarily wealthy Republicans. You're saying the market is there. You're saying the profitability is there. Why aren't they targeting it?
     
  6. Gator715

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    Musk bought Twitter.

    Companies like Daily Wire have grown to the point that they are releasing movies and children's content and animation.

    Patience grasshopper. You don't take down the Yankees, Mets, Red Sox, Dodgers, AND Giants overnight. ;)
     
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  7. gator_lawyer

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    Doesn't that undermine your entire argument about our societal institutions being controlled by progressives and used to squash "conservative thought"?
     
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  8. Gator715

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    No. One of the top two wealthiest men in the world bought Twitter.

    And a company which has a base via subscribers has grown to the point that they can produce that sort of content while overcoming censorship and attacks targeting advertisers from organizations like media matters.

    Making progress in the culture wars does not undermine my argument, it shows that there's a market for it. Conservatives just have to overcome a Hell of a lot to even compete with the big boys in this front. And a lot of these obstacles are coming from intellectual fascists, not healthy competition.
     
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    Musk is getting exactly what he wanted to have happen on Twitter.
     
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  11. gator_lawyer

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    It completely undermines your argument. There are numerous media sources that center "conservative thought." You've already established that "conservatives" have their own social media sites they can go to and entertainment aimed at them. And nobody debates that there are educational institutions that cater to "conservatives."

    Your complaint seems to be that "conservatives" aren't dominating these arenas. That's not because of some nefarious conspiracy to suppress "conservative thought." It's because your ideas aren't popular with the majority of the country.
     
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  12. Gator715

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    No my complaint is that parties are doing everything that they can to tear down such platforms on grounds of intellectual fascism.

    Conservatives are lucky that some companies have overcome this and continue to overcome this. But there’s still a lot of work to be done.
     
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  13. gtr2x

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    You are truly clueless in your desperation to label people.

    Btw I'm well aware all Hispanics aren't the same. You are the one that lumped them all together in your post.
     
  14. Gator715

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    I don’t think I am. You blame Cubans for their suffering under the Castro regime because of Castro’s predecessor.

    Also, if you are drawing an equivalency between Castro’s Cuba and Batista’s Cuba, you didn’t experience it and you don’t know what you’re talking about. Not saying Batista’s good, he was terrible, but Castro’s regime is much worse.
     
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  15. VAg8r1

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    While Johnson's proposal is nothing more than political theater and has absolutely no chance of getting through the Senate it does demonstrate that "MAGA Mike" along with a majority of Congressional Republicans is more interested in pleasing Republican megadonors than he is in fiscal responsibility considering that increased funding for the IRS is one of the very few types of federal expenditures that actually has a positive return on investment. From the non-partisan CBO:
    https://www.cbo.gov/publication/57444

    By separating the funding for Israel from that of Ukraine, Mike Johnson along with the MAGA wing of the Republican Party is demonstrating that when it comes to Ukraine he is on the same side as the Iranian mullahs who are also supporting Putin, the difference between the two is that Iran is supporting Russia providing weapons while the MAGA Republicans are proposing to do so by withholding necessary assistance to Ukraine.
     
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    Some of us despise extremism. The Orange Man and your guy, DeSantis, are extremists. I don’t like extremism on either side, and while I am no fan of Biden, I reject the premise that he is an extremist.
     
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  17. Gator715

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    He isn’t. He’s a corrupt career geriatric politician asleep at the wheel and his administration runs like an extremist administration.

    OSHA vaccine mandate, student loan bailouts, “protect trans kids,” pressuring social media companies to censor misinformation, continuing garbage Obama era foreign policy, targeting his political opponents with his Justice Department.

    The Democratic Party as a whole has consistently moved further and further to the left, while the Republican Party just grew a backbone to hold the line. Democrats are so used to Republicans doing nothing they’re now confusing “doing things” for extremism.

    All Ron DeSantis is fighting for are things that 80% or more of Americans agreed on 20 years ago (castrating children is bad, illegal immigration is bad, refusing to enforce federal law is bad, refusing to enforce state law is bad, men are men and women are women, schools shouldn’t teach kids to hate America). His vision is not the one that changed. The only way he changed is the sense of urgency to fight back.

    That’s not extremism, it’s just different and more threatening to Democrats from what the Democratic Party is accustomed to.
     
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  18. l_boy

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    Parties are there to perpetuate themselves, and what they do is a reflection of what they think serves that end.
     
  19. Gator715

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    Why are my options reduced to:
    1. Conservatives are censored to the point and degree of the Soviet Union.
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    2. Conservatives are on the same exact playing field as Democrats and there are no structural disadvantages with respect to conservative expression
     
  20. gator_lawyer

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    You implied a conspiracy to suppress "conservative thought." But actually talking through the issue demonstrated that there are numerous places that center "conservative thought." They simply aren't dominating the market of ideas. It's not because of some conspiracy. I'll use a word you love. It's because of merit.
     
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