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So we have a new House Speaker

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by danmanne65, Oct 25, 2023.

  1. Gator715

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    Parler is an excellent example of this.

    Remember when progressives were like "you don't like Twitter, make your own." Then conservatives made their own and Parler was deplatformed.

    There is no marketplace of ideas when one side can literally side with terrorists and not face consequences, while the other which represents at least 40% of the country is censored online, has ad revenue cut online, is shouted down at universities, is sometimes prohibited from speaking at universities, risks losing their job if they say something, and/or risks losing their business if they say something.

    Most of these things may very well be legal, but in a modern technological world where everyone is glued to their smart phones, the internet, and television... the outcome echoes that of a society without the First Amendment. One side of the aisle doesn't care about this because they lose nothing from it, until of course this same militant wing comes for them. I'm sure for most people, there is a point where progressive is too progressive, and if you wait to stand up to these people until they come for you, don't look for help from the people already ruined. They're not coming to save you.

    Contrary to leftist orthodoxy, there's the legal aspect of the First Amendment and there's the spirit of the First Amendment in American culture. The latter has especially been under attack for decades and has really escalated in the last decade. If you want to live in a healthy America where neighbors actually talk to each other and appreciate each other, the latter must be recovered, but it won't be as long as only one side is paying the price for all of this.

    In essence, the quicker everyone is cancelled, the quicker we all go back to the optimal mentality of "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I'll fight like Hell for your right to say it." And that shouldn't just mean "the right" to not get punished by a state actor. In the cultural sense, that should also mean not having your livelihood, reputation, and career ruined for saying something at least over 40% of the country agrees with.
     
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  2. Gator715

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    Big business is intimidated by progressives.

    As far as which institutions are dominated by progressives, asked and answered.

    A majority of people aren't rejecting conservative thought. Our institutions would just have you believe that, but that's not true. The influential institutions in entertainment, media, and education are both cramming down this idea on its consumers and pushing hardline progressive thought and values in its consumers. This would not be such a large problem if conservatives were given a genuine opportunity to compete, but they're not. See the example I provided with Parler.
     
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  3. dangolegators

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    This all applies to both sides.
     
  4. Gator715

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    It's starting to a much greater degree now, but it's still not even close to 50/50. And we haven't really seen steps in the more graceful direction from either side, so this will continue until the people that really created this miserable cultural environment get a wakeup call... or people just stop listening to them.

    I don't think we're close to that point, but we're heading in that direction. Eventually people are going to be so tired of this, they're just not going to care anymore about what a woke scold says... or an angry Karen religious zealot says... they're just going to do what they want with no shame or apology. The sooner this happens, the better.
     
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  5. dangolegators

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    Nonsense. The right perfected cancel culture long before the left started engaging in it.
     
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  6. Gator715

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    "Perfected." :D

    Is music, media, film, and education disproportionately liberal or conservative?
     
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  7. Gator715

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    Look at the new guy coming out swinging. :D Or is it an old guy under a new name? Either way, welcome. ;)
     
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  8. dangolegators

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    Those things often lean liberal and in fact were often the target of cancel culture from the right. How many writers and directors lost their careers because of right-wing persecution by the likes of McCarthy and his followers? Liberal cancel culture of the 2020s has nothing on conservative cancel culture of the 1950s.
     
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  9. Gator715

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    Considering the degree of dominance the left has on those industries, I wouldn't say conservatives have "perfected the art of cancel culture.":D
     
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    And if conservatives became these McCarthy style Republicans while simultaneously dominating the culture, I would probably lean more to the left.
     
  11. dangolegators

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    Of course you wouldn't. You're fine with cancel culture from the right. It's one of the reasons you're such a fan of DeSantis and his war on free speech.
     
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  12. dangolegators

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    Conservatives dominated the culture of the 50s. And you would never lean more to the left. You simply don't have it in you.
     
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    A good read on the new nutty christo fascist speaker of the house. Of interest is his (obvious if you read his history) roots in the incel community and why he appeals to the and the closely affiliated Christo fascist community.



    There are still many in the punditry who are confused about why Christian conservatives like Johnson glommed onto Trump, a thrice-married chronic adulterer who touches the Bible like it will burn him. But, of course, it was never really about Jesus. What Trump and the men who worship him share is anger that any woman would have the right to say no: To a date, to a marriage, to having your baby. It's why Trump has a long history of sexual assault. And it's why men like Johnson embrace a "religion" that is hyper-focused on caging women like they're farm animals. And why they resent gay people for their perceived sexual adventures. It's a coalition of men who fear, often for very good reason, that their repulsive personalities exclude them from a world where sexual expression requires consent. Johnson's now the most powerful Republican in Congress. The incel-ization of the GOP is complete.
     
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  14. Gator715

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    Add "mind-reader" to the small list of abilities possessed by dangolegators.:D
     
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    If "progressives" aren't pushing a popular view, why would big business care what they think? How many big businesses are catering to Nazis?

    So the institutions you're referring to are media, entertainment, and education?

    Like I said, I'm sure it's convenient to believe this. But businesses have no incentive to push unpopular ideas. Businesses (which include media and entertainment) pursue profit. The idea that they're rejecting "conservative thought" as some sort of conspiracy is quite farfetched.

    Why was Parler not given a genuine opportunity to compete?

    You still haven't told us exactly what "conservative thought" is being rejected, BTW.
     
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    Total nonsense and no way related to anything i posted.

    But that's your shtick so carry on with your wing nut posts. Your comments are so out of touch with reality they're humorous.

    Btw, my wife is Hispanic , so just another major fail on your part.
     
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  17. dangolegators

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    Don't need to read your mind. I read your posts, unfortunately. And you post a lot.
     
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    LOL, THFSG on anything Christian, MAGA or Desantis always reminds me of this video...
     
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  19. Gator715

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    I thought partners being of a certain race/ethnicity does not rule out racism/bigotry.

    Also, not all Hispanics are the same. You could just be bigoted against Cubans.
     
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    First, I’ve acknowledged the excesses on the far left, in what has been loosely characterized as “woke”

    Two, your perception of the influence of these concepts and institutions is vastly exaggerated compared to mine. Yes universities, including private ones, are heavily influenced by them, to an excess. As to corporate America, they go where they think society goes. If they get it wrong, society pushes them back and they lose money. I could give two shots if bud light hires a trans spokesperson of it Target decides to sell women’s swimsuits with a dick pouch. I may shake my head, but I don’t really care. Where I do care is when government like DeSantis decides to intervene in these cultural issues in the private sector. That certainly isn’t the Republican Party I grew up in and I identified with decades ago.

    I really detest these culture wars, and I hate victim culture, both on the right and left. It is a distraction from the more important issues of the day. I guess you and I are different in that respect and just don’t have a lot in common.
     
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