Netanyahu tells Israel ‘We are at war’ after Hamas launches an unprecedented attack, killing at leas

You had not seen this? I think it is earlier in the thread. here's the whole thing, I think.

 

I’m all for it, but other countries tend to get upset when you assassinate political leaders in their country. Just ask Canada.

 

Did they really call Stoudemire an NBA legend? lol

 

I was it weeks ago. I didn’t remember it was here. It would do well in the thread in antisemitism

 

The alternative we chose twice in August of 1945 would not likely be legal today.

https://www.geneva-academy.ch/jooml...s/Nuclear Weapons Under International Law.pdf

 

“Legal” according to whom? There is no authority above the state. I don’t think anyone is going to use a nuke, but if the head of a state decided to use one, the laws of that state (ours, for instance) grant all the legal authority that is necessary or practically possible. The only way for other states to hold that head of state accountable is to defeat it in a war and put the losers up for a show trial. For all the states who actually have nuclear weapons (or are likely to in the near future) I don’t see that as a real possibility.

 

Yeah I’m talking about them not sharing a fence at all. Like truly separated.

 

I like that this scenario is being discussed. In my opinion, it’s the only long-term solution: after Israel has reduced the fighting ability to something manageable, turn the people of Gaza back into Egyptians and let Egypt police that place.

An Israeli ministry, in a 'concept paper,' proposes transferring Gaza civilians to Egypt's Sinai - Breitbart

 

If you mean by peacekeepers, tried and failed. If you mean assimilation of the regional Arabs back into other Arab states, they have refused to take them. If you mean moving the Jewish people to somewhere else in the world that is not their homeland, then very best wishes selling that.

 

Read the linked overview. Putin is a wanted man for war crimes and he hasn't lost a war yet...all he has to do is wander into a country that will arrest him and he gets a free vacay to The Hague. The fact there is currently an enforcement issue with Putin doesn't mean he's not wanted for war crimes or that what's he's done in Ukraine is legal.

 

I don’t want this and I’m not betting this way, but what happens if Putin (or his successor) wins the war?

 

Exactly. Some people don't use their brain. Hamas will never quit trying to kill Jewish people. Hamas must be stopped. Those asking for a ceasefire are either just being ignorant or just don't like Israel. No in-between.

 

Interesting breakdown on the 2006 election that brought Hamas to power beyond what in knew before. It also was the reason the MB “won” the Egyptian election.


The crucial elections in January 2006 were a classic example of using the wrong election methods, which led to disastrous results. In that election, a hybrid approach was used. Half of the Palestinian legislature’s 132 seats were to be selected by a winner-take-all method and half by a proportional voting method. Hamas won 44.5% of the popular vote, and the Palestine Liberation Organization-backed Fatah won 41.4%. So it was a close election.

The proportional half of the vote yielded a fair outcome. Hamas won its share, 29 of 66 seats (roughly 45%), as did Fatah with 28 seats (roughly 42%). If those were the only election results, they would have produced a broadly representative legislature. But the winner-take-all side of the election broke down badly. There were a dozen political parties, and split votes and spoilers ruled the day. Even though Hamas garnered an average of only 41% of the popular vote in the winner-take-all half, it won 68% of those seats while Fatah won only 26%.

Overall, Hamas won a total of 56% of the legislature’s seats, a solid majority, but with a minority of the vote. This result grossly overrepresented pro-Hamas sentiment among Palestinians.

If a proportional voting method had been used for all seats, Hamas would not have won a majority and would have needed to form a post-election coalition. Indeed, one analysis found that if proportional voting had been used for the entire legislature, Fatah and like-minded parties and independent partners would have been able to form a majority coalition government. Either way, results with a better votes-to-seats ratio would have provided incentives for bridge-building and possibly even a grand coalition between Hamas and Fatah. This would have established a foundation for a more stable transition to a democratic system — and possibly inaugurated a steadier leadership for negotiations with the Israelis.



ColumnPalestinians’ flawed 2006 elections empowered Hamas and destroyed democracy
ColumnPalestinians’ flawed 2006 elections empowered Hamas and destroyed democracy - Tampa Bay Times

 

Yeah I’m not suggesting any of that is feasible. I’m saying that’s the only way there will ever be lasting peace between these people (there won’t).

 

They arent even hiding their plans for ethnic cleansing

 

Well, yeah, but is “lasting peace” ever really been a thing for anyone? As attributed to Plato, “Only the dead have seen the end of war.” I think we can do better than the current situation, though, and I will reiterate that the only viable answer is a four-state solution where all of us abandon the fictitious notion of Palestine or a Palestinian. Gaza returns to Egypt, much of the West Bank returns to Jordan, the Golan returns to Syria (demilitarized), all of these states sign treaties with Israel and fully accept the Arab refugees as citizens, and the UN polices the borders and major holy sites. If this war gets us closer to a sustainable situation like that, then it will be worth it.

 

Israel offered a ceasefire if the hostages were released. Shocking that Hamas declined...

Anyone protesting what Israel is doing isn't using their brain. Everyone should be protesting what Hamas has done and is currently doing.

 

I like the idea of Gaza to Egypt. That seems like it would be ideal.