Antisemitism in the US

Examples? Links?

 

Well played.

 

It’s not left or right. It’s both. I posted an ADL story in the other thread in the happiness on the right about the attacks on Simchat Torah (October 7). But you are right about part of the left. You might find the Amare Stoudemare link I posted in the other thread. He really sums it up.

 

more precisely. He is surprised to see anti-semitism closer to the mainstream. That it isn’t in the fringes. Believe me that Jews are grateful that people speak out like he does.

 

Bingo. Btw: when you are on the side that the hate is focused on, it doesn’t matter if the venom comes from the left or right. It’s still hate.

 

(suggested) I didn't see it being pointed out. My Fox News watching mom asked recently if I'd been hearing any of this stuff on campus. I haven't. Doesn't mean it isn't out there, but I get a sense that certain news outlets are running a theme based on a few random idiots.

 

This is the kind of slick statement I told ya'll about a couple of weeks ago. Hopefully now, you see what I meant.

 

I was disgusted, but not shocked. The far left has not been able to figure out how to be pro multi cultural and anti Muslim extremist for quite a while.

Also when you look at all of the Harvard groups that endorsed this all but a couple were some Muslim group or other - who knew there were something 30 different groups in this space at Harvard.

Perhaps if anything good comes out of this tragedy finally people can really see some of the idiocy that is coming out of these “elite” institutions. When money starts flying out the door people tend to get religion.

 

Certainly there are incidents related to the Hamas terror attacks and resulting war. What I'm reading here, though, is more a matter of isolated idiocy. It's feeding a narrative that the media is all too happy to pick up. The fact Biden wants to jump into it is less than convincing. There was this also from the CBS piece:

The Departments of Justice and Homeland Security are also working with campus police departments to track hate-related rhetoric, which includes rising Islamophobia as well.

To be sure, I'm not downplaying the evil nature of anti-semitism; I'm questioning the way media has inflated the issue, esp. on college campuses.

 

GROSS!

can you link your posts where you defended anti-semitism from the right with such convoluted BS?

 

Do not doubt anything you say. As I mentioned, I am pretty clueless when it comes to all of that. I rarely wade into the gun control debates as a result of ignorance as well.

All I know is that people are feeling threatened, real threats. And with good reason as that people has been the target of organized bigotry and hatred going back as far as the Spanish Inquisition and possibly longer.

 

Their can be sympathy for the people in Gaza and the West Bank without supporting murdering filth such as Hamas. Heck, even the Rabbi at my wife's temple has spoken at length (prior to Oct 7th) of the need to support the people trapped under the thumb of Hamas and other pro-Iranian, anti-Israeli hate groups. The need to find ways to treat people with human dignity first and foremost and seek ways to make the term co-exist something more than a bumper sticker slogan.

However, none of that should be construed as supporting hate groups, antisemitic or anti-Israel. It is pro-humanity, which all of us should be.

What happened on October 7 was inexcusable, indefensible and plain evil. While I regret the deaths of the people in Gaza who had nothing to do with that day, Israel must (and will) defend her people. All of the fancy pro-humanity speeches and clueless liberal campus rallies are neither going to stop that, nor pave the way to a peaceful future.

At least for me, at this point, it is difficult to see a long term peaceful, stable middle east after what transpired in Israel.

 

Well it was the lead story on the Today show this morning. Can’t get much more mainstream than that.

 

First of all, any discussion of Oct. 7 without a clear rejection of what Hamas did seems extremely misguided. To say the least.
But beyond that, a very basic question. Is opposition to what the Israeli govt has done (or perceived by the protester to have done) actually anti-Semetic? Anti-semetic is animosity to Jewish people, correct?

 

yes it is. Come back on the board when you want to make a point.

 

ok genius, tell me how my post is hypocritical. Your response is indicative of the problem I expose. You are so blinded by partisanship that you too have adopted tribalism. If you un-programmed your mind you would see my post is the exact opposite of hypocrisy. I don’t give the ADL a pass because they wear suits and kippahs, or write checks rather than throw rocks.

 

Here is the post from the otter thread about right wing hate groups.
its not just Anti-Semitism on the left.

https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/...ts-spurs-antisemitism-and-conspiracies-online

Nathan Damigo, the founder of the now defunct which supremacist group Identity Evropa, wrote on his Telegram channel, “From the river to the sea Palestine will be free!” and “Hamas really took #BantheADL to the next level.” Meanwhile, a leader of the white supremacist New Jersey European Heritage Association complained that the attack will result in “a new batch of migrants coming to America. Privileged supremacist Jews fleeing chaos they provoked like the cowardly rats they are. They will immediately jump to the head of the line.”

Jon Minadeo, the leader of the antisemitic Goyim Defense League (GDL), posted on Gab “PALESTINIANS ARE KILLING THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN. God bless these brave men of Palestine.” While GDL supporters in the network’s telegram channel noted their happiness with posts such as, “Woke up to kikes in Israel getting their comeuppance. Life is good.” and “What a wonderful Shabbot [sic] today goys!”

White supremacist Nick Fuentes pushed this narrative on Telegram, writing that Israel’s intelligence failure “is a little suspicious in light of how the Likud government will benefit politically from this crisis both domestically and internationally.”

On X, a popular antisemitic influencer who goes by Lucas Gage posted several antisemitic and anti-Zionist conspiratorial claims. In one post, he alleged that Israel does not deserve sympathy because it helped coordinate the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, a common antisemitic conspiracy theory. In another post, Gage blamed "our Zionist Occupied Govt," an antisemitic reference to the U.S. government.


https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/...s-applaud-hamas-and-violence-against-israelis

On October 8, white supremacist Matthew Parrott, co-founder of the now defunct Traditionalist Worker Party, posted a Substack article, “Party’s Over: Free Palestine” in which he argued that the attack on Israel was not unprovoked. “Breaking out of a concentration camp to attack your guards is the very opposite of ‘unprovoked,’ he wrote, continuing, “I stand in solidarity with the Palestinian people. It’s one struggle. Jews are welcome to join in too, on the precondition that they cease and desist their genocidal campaigns. Free Palestine.”

Christopher Pohlhaus, leader of the neo-Nazi Blood Tribe took to Telegram October 8 writing, “Thoroughly enjoying the show in Israel over the past days.” A staunch supporter of Ukraine, whose fighters he describes as “our racial Brothers,” Pohlhaus expressed irritation over the “immediate bipartisan support and action” for Israel compared to “almost complete republican [sic] opposition” for Ukrainian aid. Also on October 8, the neo-Nazi group Natsoc Florida posted an image of an apparently freshly screen-printed “Fuck Israel” t-shirt with the caption, “I've been cranking these out all day. The Israeli people deserve zero sympathy. Fuck Israel. They deserve everything that is happening to them right now. I sincerely hope that Hezbollah and the Taliban are able to make it to the fight."


On October 8, a group of individuals associated with the white supremacist White Lives Matter California posted an image of themselves on Telegram holding a “No More Wars for Israel” banner.

 

Celebrating the massacre of 1400 Jews I would submit is presumably (if not patently) antisemitic, with the burden of proof upon the celebrants to somehow overcome that presumption.

 

Well since anyone protesting Israel is according to some, I suppose there will be a lot