At least 16 people dead and suspect at large after multiple incidents in area of Lewiston, Maine

Well, that's one less vote for trump then isn't it.

 

Banning guns based on their use in murders sounds like a pretty good reason.

Let's apply your logic to the 75-100k prevention statistic (would like to see a source for that): How many of those crime preventions via firearm involved ARs?

Nobody is suggesting that single moms lose their right to firearm protection.

 

Have a broader conversation of mass shootings and the dynamics.

Look at what I call true mass shootings, like this, which are almost always lone wolf, many with a suicide component.

Vs, all the youth group involved shootings where you often have multiple shooters, often engaged with each other.

Very different cause and effect.

 

Not so fast my friend. Never underestimate the right’s ability to garner a vote from a dead person

 

So you are ok with only banning AR15s?

 

Boohoo. Ammosexuals are the real victims here.

 

Nah, that's just a good start. No reason folks need these high mag war toys when they can do so much killin' with a good ole 9mm.
Now, care to answer my question re: ARs and crime prevention? and Link to 75-100k?

 

Exactly .. at least you are honest enough to admit that the true end game is to ban all guns. Sincere, thank you.
This has been my point in many of these arguments. The AR is the target ye it is used in far less murders than the 9mm and even the shotgun.

The NVCS does. Twice yearly survey of defensive gun use. The last one that I read was over 70,000 defensive gun uses a year.. however, they only collect data for property crimes where a gun was used , not personal conflicts. Since both of the areas they collect data on average over 30k a year it is safe to assume over 100k per year. Please not this is much much lower than some surveys that report 500k… which even I find dubious at best.

 

In the wake of every one of these bloodbaths, those called upon to speak for the town
invariably assert that theirs is a close-knit or tight-knit community. After the first 85,000 or so of these incidents, I've concluded that being close-knit is an accelerant of these events, not a deterrent.

 

More sarcasm than anything. 9 mm and shotguns are used to kill more people each year than the AR15… yet it is the “high mag weapon of war” that gets the attention. Why? Emotional outrage.. not logic.

 

Just my personal opinion, but I have zero problems with a prohibition on AR15 and/or many other high powered firearms. Or, if not an outright ban, make them extremely hard to obtain and not w/o some compelling reason (self defense would not, be a compelling reason). An AR15 is not necessary for self-protection, which could be achieved w/other guns or weapons. But for me, it's less about the style of gun per se and more at the various ways we could if we wanted to, control guns. Red flag laws are a part of it, but they don't address the availability/accessibility problem outside of individual cases.

 

I doubt we are far off rom each other. I have long advocated for a tiered licensing system that requires training and mental competency testing. My biggest issue is when people point to just one touchstone (usually out of emotional reaction) and says We have to do something! This is the answer!
And when actually looked at.. it doesn’t seem to be a definitive answer.
I want a tiered licensing approach. Better and wide Rees flag laws. Laws holding parents responsible for their children’s actions. Any criminal found with an illegal gun/unregistered gun gets a minimum of 10 years. There is more but that’s a start for my plan.

 

At least the system worked here… not much consolation tho

Maine Gunman Disclosed He Had Mental Health Issues, Gun Shop Owner Says

 

We probably aren't.

I get your point. I think though people in general are disturbed by gun violence, in particular mass shootings and other high profile incident provokes a lot of emotions, as mass death and wanton gun violence will do. The problem, which I think most here recognize in some form, is the ease in which pretty much anyone can acquire guns, whether legally or illegally, means that there is a large number of people who shouldn't have guns yet do or can get them.

Stricter licensing would def help. I think we also need far stricter controls on manufacturers & dealers. Despite the problem with mass shootings (a not insignificant number have been w/legally owned guns), the bigger problem is more ordinary gun violence (always weird to write that), which much more often than not involves illegal guns.

The black market for these guns involves weapons that were made by legal gun manufacturers and were legally owned before finding their way into the black market. However, that initial legal ownership might have been in name only, so to speak, where the motivation is acquiring weapons for the illicit gun trade and exploiting lax regulations toward that end.

 

Mike Johnson opposing background checks.






A new Fox News Poll finds most voters favor the following:

-- Requiring criminal background checks on all gun buyers (87%)

btw, 87% on anything is very definitive.

 

I suspect most of us are on the same page or close to it. Don't want to disarm all Americans, but think there should be some way to make sure that people like Card who have been identified as seriously troubled do not have access to guns, particularly those capable of massive damage.
But I think we get bogged down with the partisan accusations both sides throw at each other: "You don't care if children die" ... "You want Americans powerless to stop tyranny!" ... and so on

 

Ok I would assume that is because 9mm and shotguns are FAR more common than AR-15s. That follows.

As for your comment about emotional outrage being illogical - you are correct. But that's how terrorism works. I'm sure you're a beacon of rational/logical thinking following Islamic terrorist attacks on the US. That's the same way we feel when a Trump fanboi kills 18 people at a bowling alley with an instrument of mass murder.

 

What is the ammosexual argument in favor of keeping suppressors legal? Genuinely curious how those would help fight back against a tyrannical government.

 

What I think about is how to change the culture. I am all for laws restricting availability, but there are already 400 million weapons out there.

But how do we change the glamour of gun violence that seems part of the American imagination? Not just in random mass shootings but in stand your ground showings, road rage, etc.? Is it Hollywood? Is it just the fact that we cannot condemn so many shootings that are not mass shootings? Can we push guns into the cultural background? Make them something that is anathema to brag about and show off?

That's what I think about first.