So we have a new House Speaker

Realized dude.

As in Democrats have expressed desires to do it, but know they can’t or don’t have the means of doing so without consequences they’re not willing to live with.

 

California is losing people, Florida is gaining. That’s the point I was making. And I think you knew that, you’re just playing dumb.

 

Fine, don’t take their word for it. Take their actions. Money is flowing into Florida.

Clearly you weren’t deterred. You moved here. But like most progressives, your words say one thing while your actions say another entirely. Your words say Florida is run by a dictator, your actions say it’s home.

 

Asked and Answered on other threads with you.

Not interested in going through this routine with you tonight. I know you don’t find those actions problematic.

 

You didn’t answer my question and my guess is you never will. I’m sure you and Mutz get along great.

 

Stop spamming the thread, please.

 

Ignore button is always an option, bud.

 

That's your rationale? Does that mean every person who remained or remains in Venezuela or Cuba is a fan of the regimes in power?

I'm disgusted by DeSantis and his cronies. Florida is home for me. I am a fourth-generation Floridian and third-generation Gator. Most of my family lives here. Yet, I am actively considering moving out of the state again because of how repulsive this place has become.

You and your fellow freedom-haters are probably happy to hear that. I don't care. I'd rather live in a place that values free speech, the rule of law, democratic rights, and diversity. That isn't Florida.

Go ahead and make your excuses for why the repression that has characterized the DeSantis regime is justified. Castro's sycophants were happy to give him cover. Why would DeSantis's be any different?

 

So you’ll post a hundred posts in this thread talking about how bad the democrats are and just about anything is acceptable in response, and reply to every post who argues otherwise, but when asked what exactly those horrible things are you pass.

 

There’s a long history on that one.

How Harry Reid Paved the Way for Democrats to Kill the Filibuster

In 2005 Republicans were campaigning hard to eliminate the filibuster because of Democrats filibustering judges. But Democrats resisted. Then in 2013 in response to Republicans slow walking judicial nominees worse than Democrats did, Democrats go rid of the filibuster on federal judges but preserved it for USSC. Then in 2017 McConnell got rid of the filibuster for the USSC. This a progression of the further policitization of the courts that had been going on for nearly 40 years.

Frankly given the unwillingness of the parties to approve other parties nominees, unlike 30 years ago, it only makes sense to get rid of these filibusters.

These calls were a result of Republicans unwillingness to even bring up the nomination of Merrick Garland for over a year. As to “which side” is “calling”, the Democrats have the White House and senate. There has been no court packing. That’s the difference, the Democrats are still run by the grown ups in the party. Republicans are run by the bomb throwers.

Donald Trump in 2012, 2016 and 2018

In 2012, Donald Trump said, "The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy. ... A total sham and a travesty."

On Sixty Minutes on November 13, 2016, President-Elect Trump said:

"I would rather see it, where you went with simple votes. You know, you get 100 million votes, and somebody else gets 90 million votes, and you win. There’s a reason for doing this. Because it brings all the states into play."

On April 26, 2018, President Donald Trump told Fox & Friendsthat "I would rather have a popular election.



President Trump Reaffirms His Long-Standing Opposition to Electoral College, and Favors A Nationwide Vote for President.

In 2000 Bush expected to potentially win the popular vote and lose the electoral college, and if so the they were going to try to end the electoral college.

It Isn’t Just Donald Trump. The Bush Campaign Plotted to Reject Election Results in 2000

the George W. Bush campaign was planning to challenge the results of the 2000 vote if he lost the electoral vote, but won the popular vote. His campaign hoped to spark a national movement to pressure members of the Electoral College in states where the popular vote went for Al Gore to ignore that and instead vote in line with the national popular vote — thus making Bush president

See above. pot meet kettle?

 

New data from the U.S. Census shows that around 820,000 people moved out of California and 550,000 out of New York in 2022. They join more than 8 million Americans who moved states in 2022.

Why it matters: The rising cost of living is pushing people out of expensive coastal areas, and the trend doesn't look likely to change in coming years: four in ten Californians and and three in ten New Yorkers say they're considering moving out of state.

• Many of those moving are headed to Florida or Texas, the states with the largest influxes in 2022.
• But Texans worried about the "California-ing" of their state may not need to worry: Democrats are much more likely to move to blue states, while Republicans move to red states.

 

Matthew Taylor and The Bulwark track Johnson’s ties to the dangerously growing in power New Apostolic Reformation Seven Story movement, already well represented in government

HOW DO WE KNOW THIS? The key Christian instigators of January 6th I have tracked are part of an amorphous, nondenominational network called the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR). They believe and propagate extreme theologies that provide a mandate for Christians to take over society, and they have become increasingly influential in Republican politics in the past eight years. Several New Apostolic Reformation leaders—they usually call their leaders either apostles or prophets—were influential evangelical advisers to Donald Trump. (Presumably, some of them still are.)

One of the markers of Sheets’s extremist theology is his reinterpretation of a Greek word from the Bible. The word is ekklesia, which in Greek means “assembly,” but it is usually translated simply as “church.” In Sheets’s view, ekklesia should actually be translated to mean something like government, meaning that the church is God’s ordained governing body on the earth. Sheets envisions and advocates “marrying civil and spiritual government.” This is a formulation he seems to favor; the idea is that the church would align itself with interdependent government leaders, and they would do the bidding of the church.

It is important to reiterate that Dutch Sheets is not some marginal pastor or isolated theologian. He is an influential activist, and he was a core—though covert—adviser to the Trump administration, helping to coordinate prayer and spiritual warfare efforts. This he did not only along with Garlow and Bramnick, but also in concert with Mike Pence and Paula White-Cain (Trump’s closest religious adviser). I have previously reported on a bizarre multi-hour meeting at the White House that brought Trump administration officials together with Dutch Sheets, who was accompanied by a team of his most trusted apostles and prophets. It took place on December 29, 2020—eight days before the attack on the Capitol.


JUST IN CASE YOU’RE WONDERING whether Mike Johnson really believes any of this or might just be humoring these hardline apostles of Christian supremacy, as so many Republican politicians feel they must do nowadays to remain electorally viable, here it is from the horse’s mouth. On one of Garlow’s prayer calls last year, Mike Johnson summarized his view of working in Congress: “This transcends politics . . . this is a spiritual battle that we’re in now for the survival of our country.” NAR leaders used the same rationalization to whip conservative American Christians into a frenzy leading into January 6th, and here it is on the lips of our newest speaker of the House.

 

We’ve discussed these things before. You just poo poo it when we talk about it.

 

This post shows that I’m wasting my time with you.

You’re not even making a point anymore. You’re just pointing out things Republicans have done/called for and likening it to the actions of Democrats despite the following:
1. Republicans didn’t get rid of the filibuster in 2005 (which was the right call).
2. Democrats changed the rules after Republicans did exactly the same thing that Democrats were doing because the filibuster no longer advantaged them.
3. Republicans didn’t bring Garland for a vote because he didn’t have the numbers to get through anyways.
4. Trump criticized the electoral college because he didn’t like it for reasons… not because it disadvantaged him. Without the electoral college, he’s never President.

Democrats are run by spoiled children who change the rules when things don’t go their way.

Republicans can’t seem to get anything done because it’s a party of individuals. There’s no real coalition that binds the party together apart from the fact that they don’t like Democrats. There’s pros and cons to that. It’s good in the sense that people in the party do what they want, they think for themselves relative to Democrats. People are more empowered to do what they want as opposed to toe the party line. Look no further than the freedom caucus. It’s terrible in the sense that politics is a numbers game and getting a slim majority of Republicans to agree on anything is like herding cats. Again, look no further than the freedom caucus.

 

Moving to a place run by a dictator you disagree with who incarcerates dissidents is not the same as staying there because the government refuses to allow you to leave. Things have certainly lightened up in Cuba now as far as allowing people to leave, but the damage has already been done for decades and the current generation was born into the system. They're not necessarily happy with it, but it's all they know. But that's not how the regime started. It's amazing... people are free to leave Florida whenever they please... people are MOVING TO Florida in droves despite this so-called dictator... and the Cuban government stopped people from leaving early on in the Castro regime. And people still literally risked their lives to leave.

Yet, you can't tell the difference.

Go for it, just don't talk about how oppressive it is when you have better means to leave than most people yet you choose not to because you know it's not so bad. On the contrary, it's one of the best places to live in the country and not just because of the weather. Your actions say something very different from your words.

Yes it is, just perhaps not based on how you define those things. You mouthing off like this doesn't make it true. And if you really feel that way, I encourage you to leave and be happy. Just leave my state alone when you do (I know you won't).

What repression are you talking about? Revoking Disney's special privileges? Preventing inappropriate conversations about sex with children in public schools? How about nobody is entitled to special privileges... and preventing inappropriate conversations about sex with children in public schools is important for the healthy development of children. Disney can play by the same rules as everybody else. Children in public schools don't exist to validate the feelings of teachers and administrators. Teachers and administrators exist to foster an environment where kids can learn and grow in a healthy fashion. If you don't like DeSantis's idea for that environment, again, you're more than welcome to move.

I want to live in a country where Californians let Florida be Florida and vice versa. The problem is YOU don't. EVERYTHING is an existential threat to democracy or existential rights issue depending on which drum is convenient to beat at the moment.

 

Florida Faces Exodus as Insurance Costs Cause Residents to Leave State (newsweek.com)

The rising cost of home insurance in Florida is pushing many residents to give up on coverage partially or altogether, selling their homes and even considering moving out of the state, readers told Newsweek. Some have already taken the plunge and left the state that they once considered heaven on Earth.

Florida's insurance premiums are the highest in the country, according to a recent study by the Insurance Information Institute (Triple I), and have tripled in the past five years. Residents are currently paying on average more than $4,200 per year, while the national average is $1,700, according to Triple I.
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According to the U.S. Census Bureau, an estimated 275,666 people left Florida in 2022—nearly 23,000 people every month. Most, according to the bureau, relocated to places like Georgia (46,884), North Carolina (42,301), Tennessee (36,200), South Carolina (31,456) and Texas (29,975).

PolitiFact FL: Newsom is technically right - more Floridians are moving to California | WUSF

"Per capita, more Floridians move to California than Californians moving to Florida," Newsom said. "That, I don’t imagine, is in one of your eight slides."
Newsom is right that per capita, more Floridians have moved to California than the other way around, according to U.S. Census Bureau data.
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In raw numbers, close to 13,000 more Californians moved to Florida than the other way around. However, this does not account for the states’ population sizes. California has about 17 million more residents than Florida. And Newsom specified he was citing "per capita" data.

 

btw, Florida was leading the country in net migration before Ron was in office.

And per post above, it will be surprising if it holds after Ron is finished with the state. Not to mention what he is dong to public schools. We now have one of the worst teacher shortage per student in the country. Good work Ron. Imagine a normal family with kids (i.e. not maga cultist) considering moving to Florida and looking at Fla schools.

 

Infographic: The U.S. States Losing & Gaining Population

"Florida and Idaho are America's fastest-growing states, according to data released by the U.S. Census Bureau. Their populations increased by 1.9 percent and 1.8 percent, respectively, causing them to rise to 22.2 million and 1.9 million from July 2021 to June 2022."

"Populous states like California, Pennsylvania and Ohio only started to decrease in population during the pandemic, which coincided with increased population growth in the American South and West. Texas, which previously grew by 1.3 percent, now increased in population by 1.6 percent - while Florida even stepped up from 1.1 percent to 1.9 percent."

https://www.ppic.org/publication/whats-behind-californias-recent-population-decline-and-why-it-matters/#:~:text=of this explainer.-,California's population has declined for the first time,start of the 21st century.

"Population change is determined by four factors: births, deaths, international immigration, and interstate migration. COVID led to a sobering death toll. It also led to increases in people moving out of state, while travel restrictions hindered international immigration. And birth rates continued to decline. Many of these shocks have dissipated as the state emerges from the pandemic, but there are signs that some might persist, leading to long-term demographic change."

That huge population ‘gain’ during covid was actually a loss

"That census report shows that during the pandemic Florida did indeed get a huge influx of population, a phenomenal increase of 706,597 people statewide."

So what are the takeaways here?
1. Florida is one of the fastest growing states in the country.
2. California LOST people between 2021 and 2022.
3. Even if you blame that on the pandemic, that's more of a credit to Florida because Florida has the greatest share (by percentage) of elderly people in the country. Despite this, Florida's population grew by 706,597 people statewide during the pandemic. California LOST people.
4. Clearly there's more than weather at play here unless you want to suggest that California's weather cannot compete with Florida's.

 

Yeah imagine that.

I'm still waiting for any of ya'll to move out. All I've gotten is some of the biggest progressives on this forum like gator_lawyer moving in. And the numbers say that he's couldn't be further from alone.

Very interesting how the narrative doesn't match behavior. People were willing to risk death to leave Cuba. People are willing to abandon their homes to move to Florida, including people who think Ron DeSantis is an autocrat.

 

Population in Florida has always increased. what is your point? that people like warm weather and no state income taxes? note that the % increase was actually higher in 14/15/16/17/18 than now

Florida population by year, county, race, & more | USAFacts