Netanyahu tells Israel ‘We are at war’ after Hamas launches an unprecedented attack, killing at leas

I have been shocked and disgusted by so many campus displays. I should not have been so surprised after USF in the 90s, but I was, to my chagrin.

I fear it will cynically exploited by the Right as part of their overall attack on expertise, academia and objective truth. And it will be used to censure legitimate debate. But those are just second order effects. The emphasis now should be on American society making clear this will not be tolerated.

But regardless of what percentage of students and those in the academic communities these represent, it has created an unsafe climate for Jews. And though I hate for anyone to feel unsafe, Jews especially should never have to fear this type of attacks in the United Stated in 2023.

 

Imagine is these incidents had been directed at African Americans, gays, trans etc. The response would be louder and different. But, behind all the muted responses are the unsaid “Jews are different.” Just look at Charlottesville. A demonstration by the right in support of statues of civil war era figures put up during Jim Crow to send a message to Africans Americans and blacks. What did they chant? “Jews will not replace us.” When academics celebrate a massacre of civilians, you don’t have to be an academic to know that he or she or however he or she identifies is nothing more than a bigot who disguises his or her or however he or she identifies’ bigotry as an intelligent argument. As have many bigots through the years.

 

Did you read the AP story? The Jews said they were attacked by rock throwers and fired in self defense. Arab family members say it was an unprovoked attack on olive harvester. But it is immediately reported as settler violence. That’s the risk of news by tweet.

 

Bomb threats against Jewish schools in Paris

 

The world is becoming more dangerous because of this war, this is the biggest reason the US and Western powers should back a ceasefire ASAP

 

Interesting thread with information on Dagestan and Kalchik that at least I had not seen. There was also an attack on a Jewish Cultural Center and apparently this hateful outburst was proximately triggered by a Telegram rumor that the Kremlin was going to resettle Israeli refugees there. Dagestan is currently a hotbed of anti-Kremlin fervor. This does sound like. Kremlin campaign, though that is not to excuse or contextualize it

 

That’s true of effectively every war, and I’m not going to bite on the “stop responding to terrorist attacks, it’s too dangerous to respond.”

 

That's why war should be avoided and stopped when possible! What did our response to 9/11 achieve? Less terrorism? Americans feeling safer at home and abroad? Better political situation in this country? Stronger civil liberties? Arent these question people should be asking before they go down the road of war, especially one without clearly defined objectives and endgame? In this case, its not even our war. It seems like the people that are worried about Jews around the world being unsafe might reflect on that too. At least the side of the Palestinians are generally supportive of a ceasefire and de-escalation. Why do the Zionists think more violence and probable mass displacement will achieve the safety they seek? Will this reduce anti-semetism around the world as a political or personal philosophy? I dont expect Likudist fascist types to understand this, but I would expect people with liberal values to.

 

Why not advocate for Hamas to surrender and release all the hostages. That will end the war. Interesting those for a ceasefire never say the obvious way to stop this war.

 

Of course they are, because that’s been their strategy even before the October 7th attacks.

When you stir up a fight you can’t win, it’s in your interest for everyone to demand that the fighting stop while you’re ahead. If I was walking down the street and randomly decided to kick Mike Tyson in the nuts, I’d definitely be supportive of de-escalating before he kicked my ass too.

 

Isn't a ceasefire the first step? Unless you are going to invade Qatar, their senior leadership is quite safe from being decapitated by the violence in Gaza. A ceasefire isn't a resolution by any means, just a stop to escalation of violence.

 

Its strange to view it this way. No one is winning anything, that's why it should stop. Things can only get worse, both there and around the world. People want a ceasefire to people stop more people from dying. If you are arguing that Hamas wants more dead Palestinians as trophies or sympathy or whatever and to kill more Israelis, then why give them that?

 

No. Simple as this. Hamas announces they are releasing all hostages and are laying down their weapons and surrendering. Problem solved.

 

Ok, so you aren't a serious person then. I guess if you bomb them to death, that solves the problem too eh.

 

You said you wanted a ceasefire but didn't actually say the best thing for all involved. Wonder why...

 

Like I said you aren't a serious person, the 'best thing' in your mind is to bomb and shoot the building where the hostages are and hope the people inside surrender and everyone wins. Or maybe rush in and try to kill the bad guys in a fire fight and hope no one gets hurt. Good thing you arent a hostage negotiator!

 

Because it’s not a realistic outcome to anyone with a brain. I’m guessing the hostages will be traded for Palestinian prisoners (per usual) but that’s not going to start until there is a ceasefire. If Israel’s top priority is getting those hostages back (I don’t think it is) then a cease fire and hostage trade is the surest and fastest way.

 

Show me where I said that. How about you ask for the terrorists to let the hostages go? Is that too hard for you to advocate for? The rest is you blaming Israel for this.

 

You think a ceasefire is happening right now without hostages let go? That's not happening to anyone with a brain.