So we have a new House Speaker

Do you honestly believe that? That he is just a poor victim and that everyone that once worked for him is lying and out to get him? Really?

 

BECAUSE HE COOPERATED AND RETURNED THE DOCUMENTS

 

Come ON!! If you really believe this, and I don’t e believe you do, then tell us what you think the government should have done when Trump: (a) was caught with the documents and asked that they be returned, (b) Trump fought the government, (c) ultimately conceded he had a “few” documents, (d) swore under oath he returned all the documents, (e) then started a scheme to hide the documents, (f) moved the documents all over the country, (g) grossly mishandled the documents he claimed he didn’t hold, (h) lied again about the existence of the documents, And (i) was caught red-handed still holding the documents he swore under oath he didn’t have and was caught moving the documents across the states.

Forget for the moment the fact that scores of CIA secret agents were serendipitously fund dead or went missing during this time.

What did you want our Government to do?!?!?!

 

McCarthy was endorsed by Trump the first time he ran for the speakership back in January probably because he flew down to Mar-a-Lago to kiss the ring of the Dear Leader. He wasn't endorsed by the Donald the last time when he ran for the speakership after he was deposed by Matt Gaetz. In case you may have forgotten "Gym" Jordan was the choice of the Dear Leader. Reiterating my previous assessment of "MAGA Mike" Johnson, he's Jim Jordan with a suit jacket and glasses and without the obnoxious personality.

 

They've launched an impeachment inquiry or in other words attempting to punish the father for the sins of the son and if Trump should lose again they will probably take another shot at an insurrection and coup d'état and if Trump should win they will weaponize the government against their political enemies like never before. What Trump did the first time he was in the White House was just a small sample.
Comey and McCabe, Who Infuriated Trump, Both Faced Intensive I.R.S. Audits (Published 2022)

 

While an indictment doesn't mean Trump or his co-conspirators are guilty it does mean that multiple grand juries found probable cause to believe that he committed the crimes with which he was charged and in the case of the Georgia RICO charges four have already admitted their guilt and will most likely testify against the orange god and one in the Florida documents case has flipped on Trump and will also likely testify against him and that's just the beginning. In case you may have forgotten:
Mar-a-Lago witness ‘retracted false testimony’ to implicate Trump

 

They are all just out to get him because the doj is threatening them.

 

fascinating.

 

There is your answer, indirect as it is. You can/will create an excuse no matter what he does.

I’d have a bit more respect for people that would at least be honest - yeah Trump did these things and he is absolutely awful, but the consequences of 4 more years of Biden would be worse. I would strenuously disagree with it, but at least it’s honest.

In 2016 I only half jokingly said I’d take Hillary in a orange jumpsuit over Trump because Trump was so bad.

 

Cause you are not getting the threats, so easy for you to say.

 

So we expect the average Joe and Jane to sit on juries and prosecute infinitely more dangerous gang members but we are willing to let our legislature violate their oath because someone might threaten them? So whoever makes the scariest threat gets to write the laws that day?

 

what is it with maga making threats? Civil war etc. But yes, we all saw on Jan 6th how violent maga can be. (Not all repubs or the “rinos” as maga calls them.)

To the degree maga believes in conspiracy theories, there isn’t any logic that can be used with them. It’s why Fox lied to them to keep ratings high. Maga literally doesn’t want to hear facts or the truth and would turn the channel to another news source. And why maga blindly follows Dear Leader and his gets continued support.

 

Ok. So Republicans are thugs. Thanks for clarifying.

 

Oh, we do. Most of us live in Florida. We all know that too many of you Republicans want your own right-wing version of Fidel Castro.

 

Wow. It is so common for officials with security clearances to have inadvertently retained some sensitive documents that there is a word for it...."spillage." To indict someone for the conduct there has to be more. One key factor in determining whether or not criminal intent is indicated is the person's actions when they are made aware they might be in possession of such documents. Biden and Pence essentially gave investigators the keys to their houses with "search anything, anywhere you like" authorizations. Was there any reporting that subpoenas were needed or that search warrants were ultimately authorized? Any evidence that Biden or Pence moved documents around so that investigators couldn't find them, paid people to move them or tried to arrange for security buildings to be flooded to destroy evidence?

If you do not see the differences in those situations, you have become too jaded to analyze situations and you really shouldn't try anymore.

And what is with these threats? Is that the new MAGA SOP?

 

To underscore the point, Trump was not charged with taking the select documents that he returned; he was only charged for the ones he concealed. It is amazing how willing Trumpeteers are to ignoring clear lines of easy distinctions.

 

Say what? What are you even talking about now? Usually you are a very rational poster but you have totally gone down a rabbit hole on this thread. No one is talking about juries nor Janes and Joe's.

As a reminder, the topic here is about the House Speaker and your stance that the Democrats are at fault for not reaching over the aisle to moderate Republicans. The threats to moderate Republicans are coming from within the Republican party supporters themselves. There was no path for Democrats to reach through to moderate Republicans. You and I are obviously not going to agree on this thread so there is no reason to continue this side bar.

 

So apparently this guy may have some Gaetz in him?

He adopted a 14-year-old African-American boy when he was 25? Someone who appears in no current family pictures.

Very curious.

 

You’re right and I didn’t think of it when wondered
why wouldn’t reasonable moderate pubs cross the aisle and vote for Jeffries. The nutty trumpers might put a gallows on his front lawn. Good news for them is that they’ll be out of office in a year. In the mean time they can gum up the works

 

A decent explanation:

On Race, Mike Johnson Says His Views Were Shaped by Raising a Black Child