Post Roe - abortions increase

Any more pamphlet wisdom for us? It turns out, life as a concept is more complicated than your rote phrases to make yourself feel superior suggest. Thankfully. It is a metaphysical and spiritual concept with fairly substantial mysteries. I'll continue to enjoy the fullness and complicated nature of life while you try to convince people that their life is about DNA and chromosomes. All because you want to enact policies that led to more abortions. Just the result you were hoping for, I'm sure!

 

The individuals who compose society are narcissistic gnomes that can’t help anyone. That is why we need government.

 

Well we definitely know your life began at conception. There is zero question about that based on science and medicine that you began to develop at that moment to where you are today. Sadly…for some reason you believe it is okay to legally kill the most innocent for convenience. A truly evil position to have. I hope one day you will see how evil it is.

 

Actually, there only isn't if you define life that narrowly. This particular bag of DNA doesn't. Most people don't, in fact. Most people believe in the concept of a soul or consider life to be a result of consciousness, or some other thing. You apparently think life as a concept is defined purely by DNA, something no scientific paper has ever argued as far as I am aware. But, that is what some pamphlet you read said, so here we are.

Sadly, in order to feel better, you would be okay with more abortions. A truly evil position to have. I hope one day, you will see how evil it is.

 

So unique human DNA with no heartbeat and brain activity is alive? Or, are those needed?

Also, approximately 1 in 4 pregnancies end in miscarriage. If the fetus is a life, can a woman get life insurance for the fetus? And many miscarriages are nearly impossible to distinguish from many abortions. If we outlaw abortion, do we create a police force to investigate to make sure the death was natural?

Also, how do you prevent the woman from leaving the country for abortion. If we knew anyone had plans to leave the country to kill someone, we'd have good reason to detain him or her. But do we stop pregnant women from traveling out of the country to places where abortion is legal?

 

The important questions aren’t is it life (technically yes it is alive) and is it human (yes it has human DNA) but is it a form of human life that we have decided to grant full rights to. We have not in the past. We don’t grant universal right to life even to all human beings, much less embryos and fetuses.

How do we differentiate? We as a society create the criteria. We decide. We decide that murderers may not have the right to life. We decide that families of terrorists don’t have a right to life, to the extent they are collateral damage in a drone strike. We decide some of our soldiers don’t have an unassailable right to life, as we send some to most certain death. We won’t spend an infinite amount of money to save a persons life. At some point retention of resources is deemed more important than human life.

So it should be clear, we as a society decide. Now as to embryos and early fetuses, what are the criteria and markers we may use?

- In humans, we tend to view markers of life as brain activity and a heartbeat (although a heartbeat is a somewhat arbitrary criteria). An embryo and an early fetus doesn’t have a functioning heart. They have no cognitive brain activity, no consciousness, and feel no pain.

- are there are markers on how we view life at that stage? Early miscarriages are common, and as tragic as they may be for some, we do not typically view them the same way we view the death of a child. There is a clear difference as to the emotional value attached to it.

- what about the rest of the world? Are embryos and fetuses universally viewed as comparable to human beings? In a vast majority of the cases, no.

Is this to say there is no value to this form of life? Of course not. But clearly it is substantially different developmentally and as viewed by society. Does the value and rights we choose to assign to this embryo/ fetus exceed the rights of a woman to control what happens to her health and body? Historically no. Logically? No.

For those that want to elevate the status of an embryo or fetus, it is a choice they are making based upon a belief, nothing more. It isn’t about science or anything else.

 

Not all life has brain activity. And there are viruses with only RNA and no DNA that can be argued is alive. But for human life? Yes, DNA and brain activity are required.

When brain activity stops, there is no penalty when pulling the plug on life support. Nor should there be. We seem to be able to agree when human life ends. But when does human life begin?

If a human with no brain activity who once had some is considered dead, his can something that never had brain activity be considered a human life? Yes, it may have brain activity in the future. But it may also miscarry before it develops that far. Future state is unpredictable. And at 7 weeks development, nothing that resembles brain activity can be detected in a fetus. So again, is it human at this point and eligible for human rights?

I don't have an answer. Nor do I feel qualified to answer for others. I think the answer is personal, and we shouldn't answer for others. It's best left up to your own philosophy. If you can convince yourself that at one end of the spectrum, that lack of brain activity equals the end of human life, how can something with no brain activity is human, then more power to you.

 

No. Because as we develop as humans we are blessed to have a conscience and moral compass. We understand right and wrong. And it is flat evil and wrong to kill the most innocent for convenience. It is heartbreaking to watch you justify what you understand and know is wrong.

 

You were alive at conception. At that moment you began to develop to where you are today.

I am sure you could buy any insurance policy you want for any situation or circumstance if there was a demand for it. Actuaries could figure out how to make money. But that is/was quite the red herring lol.

I would not commit a police force to confirm the death. I would count on our current system to work. If there was suspicion that a doctor was killing the most innocent via abortion. Prosecute away.

No doubt some people will go to extreme measures to kill the life inside of them for convenience. We cannot control the laws of other countries. But we can represent what is moral and right.

 

That’s your opinion man.

Here’s mine: legal abortions are neither evil nor wrong (up to the point of viability, ~20 weeks or so). I also think some of the situations women have been put in is evil. Such as the dozens of women who’ve already been forced by their state to carry a non-viable fetus. I find that ridiculous, and the zealots who push those conditions are evil.

 

Sure that is your opinion. I do not find it much of an opinion to understand that killing the most innocent for convenience is wrong. But if you think it is okay to kill the most innocent for convenience. We certainly disagree.

 

My breakfast/brunch this morning: thin sliced ribeye, egg, and cheese - scrambled and toasted in a tortilla.

A veritable slaughter of unique DNA.

Come at me God.

 

I mean in the case of a kid and their mother, isn't the DNA like ~99% the same? There is probably a better case for animal rights than fetus rights if DNA difference is the standard right?

 

You need a piece of paper to tell you when you came into being?

Birth is an event in the existence of a person. It is the event when you leave the confines of your mother's body, whereih you began developing as a separate being months prior thereto. You did not just manifest from the nether at the instant of birth.

 

How many people remember being born? They definitely don't remember being conceived, so I'd say you might need a piece of paper from other people telling you when. How many people even remember the first half-decade of their life? Also it would be kinda weird if people had to document when they had sex to mark the moment of conception, so birth seems like a pretty good marker to me.

 

Was the ribeye taken from a human being? The egg...from a toast used as a tampon? No?

Then bon Appétit.

 

So if it is just an event, why is that the one that we as a society choose to signify the existence of a new person? We don't count you in the census before then. And that is supposed to be a count of all people. Do you celebrate your conception day, since that, not your birthday, is when you came into existence?

 

Sure. That's why that paper is issued.

The paper does not demarc when your existence began, just when you graduated from internal development to external existence.

And the piece of paper has zero effect on when and how you develop or when that event takes place. Just documents it.

 

Yep, my conscious recoils at the notion that you personally get to decide right and wrong for everybody else on an issue as complicated as life and that you think life is just about DNA and chromosomes.

Regardless, my intellect is able to recognize that your desired solution failed miserably at producing your desired outcome. Having the state legally ban abortions just made more people get them.