Welcome home, fellow Gator.

The Gator Nation's oldest and most active insider community
Join today!
  1. Hi there... Can you please quickly check to make sure your email address is up to date here? Just in case we need to reach out to you or you lose your password. Muchero thanks!

Post Roe - abortions increase

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by docspor, Oct 25, 2023.

  1. docspor

    docspor GC Hall of Fame

    5,871
    1,859
    3,078
    Nov 30, 2010
    nice work!


    The average number of abortions performed each month in the US rose in the year after the supreme court overturned Roe v Wade and allowed more than a dozen states to ban the procedure, according to data released on Tuesday from a research group backed by the Society of Family Planning.

    This stunning finding masks a deep divide in abortion access in the US. The number of abortions performed in states with near-total or six-week abortion bans plummeted, with providers in those states performing 114,590 fewer abortions than they would have if Roe had not been overturned, according to data collected by the research group, WeCount.

    At the same time, abortions rose dramatically in the states that still permit the procedure. In total, those states performed 116,790 more abortions than expected.

    US abortion rates rise post-Roe amid deep divide in state-by-state access
     
    • Informative Informative x 4
    • Funny Funny x 1
  2. 96Gatorcise

    96Gatorcise Hurricane Hunter

    15,746
    26,029
    3,363
    Aug 6, 2008
    Tampa
    Easy to figure out. When women had more time to think about having an abortion many decided not to.
    When women were forced to decide immediately due to restrictions in their state, they chose abortion.
     
    • Winner Winner x 5
    • Like Like x 1
    • Creative Creative x 1
  3. Tjgators

    Tjgators Premium Member

    5,110
    639
    358
    Apr 3, 2007
    that's what happens when you let 10 million illegals in.
     
    • Off-topic x 5
    • Winner x 3
    • Come On Man x 3
    • Disagree Bacon! x 1
    • Funny x 1
    • Creative x 1
  4. WC53

    WC53 GC Hall of Fame

    4,981
    1,025
    2,088
    Oct 17, 2015
    Old City
    Because if you look at the numbers of when abortions actually occur vs the rhetoric. Its a pill.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  5. WarDamnGator

    WarDamnGator GC Hall of Fame

    10,852
    1,357
    1,718
    Apr 8, 2007
    women are just traveling to states with freedom, like everyone said they would….
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
    • Like Like x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1
  6. mdgator05

    mdgator05 Premium Member

    16,246
    2,096
    1,718
    Dec 9, 2010
    Wait, I thought the argument was that people wanted "anchor babies." Seems like you are now making the opposite argument to deflect from how this obviously didn't work out how you thought it would.
     
    • Like x 3
    • Disagree Bacon! x 2
    • Winner x 2
    • Agree x 1
    • Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
    • Wish I would have said that x 1
  7. StrangeGator

    StrangeGator VIP Member

    29,860
    2,103
    1,578
    Apr 3, 2007
    Chicago
    Interesting that Florida had the second largest increase of all but one other state.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  8. BLING

    BLING GC Hall of Fame

    8,948
    882
    2,843
    Apr 16, 2007
    [​IMG]
     
    • Funny Funny x 7
    • Winner Winner x 2
    • Like Like x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
  9. PITBOSS

    PITBOSS GC Hall of Fame

    7,906
    829
    558
    Apr 13, 2007
    I presume you mean from Latin America. Please explain basis for your belief this is due to Latino immigrants.
     
    Last edited: Oct 25, 2023
    • Optimistic Optimistic x 4
    • Come On Man Come On Man x 1
  10. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    16,457
    1,208
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
    I wonder how murders have trended since they made them illegal ?
     
  11. GatorJMDZ

    GatorJMDZ gatorjack VIP Member

    25,370
    2,700
    1,868
    Apr 3, 2007
    Here, let me take this for TJ. I've read enough of his posts to have a strong feel for how he would handle your question.

     
    • Funny Funny x 4
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  12. AzCatFan

    AzCatFan GC Hall of Fame

    12,214
    1,158
    1,618
    Apr 9, 2007
    Not sure why I'm even responding to such a post, but there was actually an inverse relationship between number of undocumented immigrants in the US and less abortions in the US for years. Here's number of undocumented between 1990 and 2016. Numbers continue to rise until the recession around 2007.

    [​IMG]

    Here's US abortion rates from 1973, when Roe was legalized, through 2017. Notice, all throughout the 1990s, a drop in abortions, even though there is a rise in undocumented immigrants.

    [​IMG]

    "I like turtles" is probably the most intelligent response to @tjgator's post.
     
    • Funny Funny x 3
    • Like Like x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  13. channingcrowderhungry

    channingcrowderhungry Premium Member

    9,242
    2,079
    3,013
    Apr 3, 2007
    Bottom of a pint glass
    Isn't that the opposite of what the stats say, or have I just had a long day of work?

    Abortions went down with major restrictions (less time) and went up with fewer restrictions (more time)
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  14. Sohogator

    Sohogator GC Hall of Fame

    3,568
    576
    358
    Aug 22, 2012
    Good news indeed the nutty turbo Christian’s have been thwarted again. Pubs just can’t learn their lesson though. They just elected a nutty turbo Christian speaker who advocates criminalizing gay sex. Imagine gay marriage and abortion are also on the list. BTW he says he was “ordained by god” to the speaker role. LOL
     
    Last edited: Oct 25, 2023
    • Come On Man Come On Man x 2
    • Like Like x 1
    • Dislike Dislike x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  15. Sohogator

    Sohogator GC Hall of Fame

    3,568
    576
    358
    Aug 22, 2012
    You realize these immigrants massively higher birth rates vs white Americans are keeping us from having a birth rate at or above the replacement rate?
    Kidding! of course you don’t.
     
    Last edited: Oct 25, 2023
  16. 96Gatorcise

    96Gatorcise Hurricane Hunter

    15,746
    26,029
    3,363
    Aug 6, 2008
    Tampa
    Those in states that had restrictions or bans went to less restricted states for an abortion and were rushed into having it before it became apparent to others they were pregnant.

    If given more time in the first trimester in their home state, they may have chosen not to abort.

    That's how I read the stats
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  17. WarDamnGator

    WarDamnGator GC Hall of Fame

    10,852
    1,357
    1,718
    Apr 8, 2007
    • Funny Funny x 3
    • Like Like x 1
  18. docspor

    docspor GC Hall of Fame

    5,871
    1,859
    3,078
    Nov 30, 2010
    that seems a reasonable take. many "anti-abortion" folks are NOT in favor of measures that prevent & hence, reduce abortions. I suspect that too was part of the cause. For many "anti-abortion" folks it is anti sexual freedom.* There is a great ep. of Cocaine & Rhinestones about Loretta Lynn's song, the pill. it got banned seemingly b/c it was about birth control; however, the podcast makes a very convincing argument that it was banned b/c it was about WOMEN's sexual freedom.

    CR002 - The Pill: Why Was Loretta Lynn Banned? | Cocaine & Rhinestones

    ex. of "anti-abortionists" exposed.
    Colorado contraception program was a huge success – but the GOP is scrapping it

    sacrificing babies to stop folks from screwing. sad.

    *
    “Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo.”
    ― H.G. Wells
     
    Last edited: Oct 25, 2023
  19. channingcrowderhungry

    channingcrowderhungry Premium Member

    9,242
    2,079
    3,013
    Apr 3, 2007
    Bottom of a pint glass
    Interesting. Hadn't thought of it that way but certainly a possibility as well.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  20. WarDamnGator

    WarDamnGator GC Hall of Fame

    10,852
    1,357
    1,718
    Apr 8, 2007
    Does the "day after" abortion pill count as an abortion for stats? I've always thought of it as more of a precaution than an abortion, since there is really no way of knowing if a pregnancy would have really occurred.
     
    • Agree Agree x 3