Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

That's because Offit's son was double vaccinated with a recent infection.

Define unnecessarily harm their kids because they can't comprehend risk/harm/benefit? Because from what the data says, by vaccinating kids, you reduce their risk of hospitalization and death. And the harm? It's very minor with a small risk of myocarditis that rarely ends in anything serious.

The data is screaming at me that you are the one who doesn't understand risk/harm/benefit. Please show me where the harm is greater than the risk and the benefit of reducing severe cases that end up in hospitalization and/or death. Just because the risk is low, doesn't mean making it even lower isn't a benefit.

 

Grifter will never stop. Too funny. Anyone still advocating for giving the vaccine to a healthy child is either ignorant or an idiot. Just laugh at their dumb posts and move on.

 

Can anyone explain why lowering a non-zero risk is a bad thing for anyone, including kids? Can anyone bring any data to the table that shows the risk of the vaccine is worse than this benefit? Or, can all anyone do is simple, idiotic 6th grade name calling and opinions that have zero value?

 

I can see a problem with administering a potentially risky treatment for a non-existent threat.

 

LOL! So since his son has not recently had covid should he not advise his son to take the new booster for the variant no longer around? Oh that is right. Even Offit at 72 is not taking the booster anymore. If you want to take a drug unnecessarily. Go for it. Please do not harm your kids though!

There is no evidence that there is benefit for a kid (young people) to take these drugs. Please do not harm young people!!

 

You need to step back and think through this some more. You (correctly) recognize a risk gradient, but then you immediately negate the risk in that gradient as even existing, pegging deaths as being a product of a fear campaign.

So while it's true that deaths occurred and in much higher numbers & rates among older than younger folk, it's not the only difference. Deaths among unvaxxed were significantly higher in both absolute numbers & rates for all age groups than vaxxed.

Data from the CDC:

 

So the evidence from the study I posted that said quicker vaccination for kids 5-11 would result in a reduction of 5,000+ hospital visits and 400+ deaths isn't a benefit because....?

Stop with your misinformation and ignorance. Look at the data that both @mutz87 and I posted. Look for data on the risks and then tell me again the risks are worse than the benefits if you can! Or, you can continue with your misinformation and ignorance, and throw in some grade school insults like your friend too to boot!

 

Anyone listening to the grifter who said lockdowns and school closures were the right thing to do, who didn't believe in natural immunity, who was for masks even though we had zero RCT's showing they've ever worked and then was for vaxxing healthy kids isn't very smart. Literally got every huge covid issue wrong. Grift on! The poster won't admit they were wrong. it's like listening to these conmen preachers. If you are dumb enough to listen to them, then that's on you.

 

These drugs would have never been considered for EUA for young people outside the fear campaign and the idea sold that they will prevent you from getting covid and spreading it. We completely ignored science and medicine through this epic failure. Those in public health who pushed the one size fits all approach should never be allowed to work in public health again. That is how bad their decision making was on this. They not only pushed draconian policies. But likely harmed young people unnecessarily with mandates for a drug that was not needed in certain groups.

As I have said and I am sure you agreed with my thoughts in the beginning and disagree with my thoughts now. But I thought high risk groups should take the shot in the beginning. I do not think so now after having two people really close to me have serious adverse reactions to the shot. Forget the reality that during Delta I had all sorts of friends take the shot and get Delta anyway. Shoot one was out of work from the shot for a day and then had a not fun bout with covid itself (spare me it would have been worse had they not taken the shot as that would be pure conjecture). The other got to deal with feeling like crap after the shot and then had covid being worse than the flu. Needless to say they never took another shot lol.

Not only is there no need for most people to get these shots (especially now). But the coverups going on are real. There is a reason no one is taking these boosters like yourself. People know it is not worth the risk!

 

Please do not harm your kids and put another one of these shots in them!

 

The data shows lockdowns and school closures work. The British call their lack of lockdown early during the pandemic the worst mistake in the history of British public health. But what do they know? Masks work in lab settings, but in public settings, too many people never used them properly, which is unfortunate. Early returns from Manaus, Brazil was showing NI was not effective. Later data showed that the original data from Brazil to be faulty, and NI to be effective, but not as effective as hybrid immunity. So, still no reason not to get vaccinated.

As for pediatric COVID risks, there are comorbidities that will increase the risk. But there is also a cohort of kids who ended up with serious cases that did not have any comorbidities. The vaccine lowered the risk in both the cohort with and without comorbidities. Again, low risk does not equal non-zero, and reducing risk is a positive. And the risks of vaccination at any age is very small.

There is no argument against not vaccinating kids if you actually follow the data. Idiot pleas from an ignoramus should be ignored. So should pleas from people who can't muster up anything better than grade school insults. If you actually look at the data, it tells the story. While the risk may not be as high in kids as in adults, the risk is still non-zero, and the vaccine lowers said risk.

 

I check on this thread every couple of days or so and it is amazing. I see Mutz and Azcatfan arguing and others arguing with no one. The ignore feature is amazing. I have less the ten people on ignore and I suspect it’s 2 or 3 children using multiple names.

 

People are so brave on this forum!

 

It’s mainly just 95 and Q, the two resident ding dongs who are constantly wrong on the subject and still arrogantly argue against all logic. Amazing what blocking just two people does to clean up a thread.

 

Anybody who believes in viruses is wrong. It’s just that one side fears the mythical particles more than the other.

 

I have pretty much all of the die hard repetitive anti vaxxers on ignore. I check in because occasionally something new or interesting is posted. I wish Azcat and Mutz would stop responding to trolls and posting the same stuff over and over again as if they are on some mission to save the world from the ding dongs, but they will do as they wish.

 

I was pro-vax before I was anti-vax. Now I consider pro-vaxxers pseudoscientific wingnuts.

 

Oh the irony!

 

That's just my thing

I have three people on ignore. One does nothing but troll. One doesn't even post on TH anymore that I know of, but back in the day made some veiled threats about contacting my employer (not that he would have gotten anywhere with it)