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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. mutz87

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    If myocarditis and other rare adverse events from vaccines makes vaccines dangerous, how is 100s of millions sickened and over 1.1 million dead from covid "not that dangerous?"
     
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  2. 96Gatorcise

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    If COVID taught us anything, it is how unhealthy Americans are.
     
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  3. QGator2414

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    1.1 million are not dead “from” Covid. That is the fear campaign. 100s of millions got Covid because it was and is a highly contagious respiratory disease. And it did not matter whether you got a shot. You were/are going to get Covid regardless of whether you took a shot.
     
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  4. QGator2414

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    Careful. Some here do not like reality like this. Taking a shot is more important.

    That is actually part of the problem with healthcare. We wait for the event and then want a drug or procedure to fix the issue. And don’t get me wrong drugs and procedures are vital. But so many ignore the most important and best way to protect the health of oneself.
     
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  5. duggers_dad

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    Well, take an aging and already unhealthy population, hammer them with fear 24/7 … then feign shock when they drop like flies.
     
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  7. citygator

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    Been normal all year not sure what poster above is pulling data from... looks like a meme.

    A Positive Covid Milestone
    During Covid’s worst phases, the total number of Americans dying each day was more than 30 percent higher than normal, a shocking increase. For long stretches of the past three years, the excess was above 10 percent. But during the past few months, excess deaths have fallen almost to zero, according to three different measures.

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  8. duggers_dad

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    Thanks for pulling this up. Ex: check out the alarming spike coinciding with vaccine rollout 2020/21.
     
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  9. citygator

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    I'm going to regret responding to you... but there are more people vaccinated in 2023 and have been for a much longer time period in 2023 and yet... no excess deaths. The difference between now and 2021 isnt vaccinations.. its virus infections. But then again, im not a total moron.
     
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  10. duggers_dad

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    There are no viruses. To your own graph: the precipitous ahistorical spike of April 2020 points to iatrogenic manslaughter. The enormous spike of Dec 2020/Jan 2021 coincides with vaccine rollout. Excess mortality is only now beginning to recede as vaccine intake plummets.
     
  11. l_boy

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    I could see excess deaths actually going negative because a lot of the people who otherwise would have died have died early.
     
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  12. duggers_dad

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    ^ Based on historical trends we would have expected to go negative LONG before now. Ongoing mass-manslaughter is the likeliest explanation for staggering high (and long) excess.
     
  13. duggers_dad

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    How they invented viruses. Bear in mind they had to invent demons to undergird the exorcism industry …

     
  14. citygator

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  16. mutz87

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    Yes, covid is a highly contagious respiratory disease. And you know what, respiratory diseases kill. Two of them (lower & pneumonia) are among the T10 leading causes of death in the US even prior to covid. Problem is you can't explain away 1.1m deaths by saying it was a fear campaign. You also can't claim that getting vaxxed doesn't matter. On both accounts, evidence clearly demonstrates otherwise. You can't simply dismiss that which doesn't fit your theory.
     
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  17. duggers_dad

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    Respiratory illnesses kill. Viruses do not exist.
     
  18. QGator2414

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    I absolutely can explain the risk/harm/benefit of the shot was way differently based on many factors. Covid had a huge risk gradient difference. You don’t just drop a one size fits all approach with a new drug onto groups at little to no risk. But that was certainly a way to destroy control groups that could have been used to study run proper studies with good end points.

    And yes they did it with an unnecessary fear campaign.
     
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  19. AzCatFan

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    Define little to no risk. Because COVID was a top 10 leading cause of pediatric death in the US. And in the 5-11 age group, this study shows that faster vaccination among this age group could have prevented over 5,000 hospitalizations and over 400 deaths.

    Now, these numbers aren't huge. But the risk is non-zero, and the data shows the vaccine reduces the risk. And certainly for parents who saw their kids in the hospital, or worse, the morgue, they certainly wouldn't call the risk little to none.

    The data doesn't back up your opinion. No risk means zero, and the risk is obviously higher than zero. Little risk means nothing if the risk includes severe case and death. Lower risk, which is something the vaccine grants, is important, because who wouldn't want to lower the risk of hospitalization and death in children?
     
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  20. QGator2414

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    Please do not be the less than 1% that unnecessarily harms their kids because they can’t comprehend risk/harm/benefit. There is a reason the rest of the world does not give the shot to kids anymore. We have charlatans and pharma that have full control of you sadly. There is a reason Offit recommended his son (not a kid) to not take the original booster…
     
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