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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. Contra

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    Just driving by to say I've enjoyed all 2246 pages of Q dropping some knowledge in this thread.
     
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    12ft | mRNA COVID Vaccines Form Spike Protein in Heart Cells, but Cause Different Anomalies: Research Article | The Epoch Times

    New research out of Germany observing rat and human heart cells shows that within 48 hours of vaccination, the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines form spike proteins.

    "The findings support both the diagnosis and treatment of cardiac events following mRNA-based COVID vaccination," the authors wrote, adding that the findings may explain persistent cardiac symptoms among long-COVID patients.

    The researchers recorded heart contractions in a supplementary video, comparing normal contractions in an unvaccinated rat heart cell (1A) with vaccinated cells.


    Pfizer-vaccinated cells displayed stronger, sustained contractions (1B) due to increased protein kinase A (PKA) activity. PKA levels are linked to heart performance; the higher the PKA level, the stronger the heart contractions.

    Prior work by Dr. James Gill, who led autopsies on two boys who died in their sleep after administration of the COVID-19 Pfizer vaccines, concluded that the boys did not suffer from typical myocarditis but rather something that resembled cardiomyopathy caused by toxic stress.
    A diagnosis of myocarditis and pericarditis indicates inflammation and damage to heart muscle cells, yet doctors may fail to find signs of damage and inflammation in blood and imaging tests.
     
  3. QGator2414

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    Go get your shot if you want it. Just please do not give it to young people.

    I want to say it is ignorance. But it is evil to push these shots on young people. Thankfully the vast majority understand this and are able to say no or have parents that understand this. I feel for those (especially kids with no say) who are still controlled by the propaganda. Just look at the rest of the world for goodness sake.
     
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  4. duggers_dad

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    The fatality rate for vaccines is probably extremely low, translating to millions dead worldwide.
     
  5. AzCatFan

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    If you are looking for the definition of willful ignorance, find your closest mirror.

    All vaccines have the same common side effects. Pages 7 and 8 of this report show the frequency of pain, redness, swelling, muscle aches, headaches, malaise, shivering, and fever for the Pfizer COVID vaccine, fluzone, and shingrix versus a placebo. All 3 vaccines have incident rates, with Shingrix often having the highest rates. Interesting, because Shingrix is a traditional vaccine where the mRNA is delivered in the form of an attenuated virus. Any explanation as to why Shingrix might cause more muscle aches and swelling than the COVID vaccine?

    You also claim that the COVID vaccine is causing more heart issues. Well, this study shows in one cohort, athletes, there has been no correlation between vaccination status and rate of heart incidences. Pray tell, how can there be causation with no correlation? Furthermore, I linked a study of pediatric heart attacks looking at data between 2016 - 2018 (pre COVID) that listed about 20,000 pediatric instances a year in the US. Any data that shows there has been a significant increase in incidences since 2021? Again, until you can prove correlation, there can be no causation!

    But this doesn't stop you from peddling your misinformation and ignorance. Not only is there no correlation, studies show the benefits of pediatric COVID vaccination far outweigh the very small risks. There seems to be very few medical professional who claim otherwise, including the Florida Surgeon General, Dr. Lapado. A Doctor who literally deleted the results of studies that did not back up his opinion when he suggested against pediatric COVID vaccination. And what did the people of Florida do when they found out Lapado literally deleted information that might have been useful to the public? The ignorant cheered on Lapado because he confirmed their bias. The result? Predictably, headlines like this one:
    Florida leads the nation in kids hospitalized for COVID

    I'm not the one that is causing damage. I'm following the published data and recommendations from people with far more education and practical experience than I will ever have. I don't cheer medical professional who ignore data, because I understand the danger of willful ignorance. How many kids needlessly ended up in the hospital that did not have to had they been vaccinated? How many kids growing up with ignorant parents are going to think they know better than experts with advanced degrees and years of practical experience? How many more scientists are going to think its acceptable to ignore and delete research that doesn't fit your conclusions because they know people don't want the truth, they want their biases to be confirmed? And how many more people are going to end up in the hospital, or worse, the morgue, because confirmation bias is more important to them than the actual, truthful data, and they ignorantly believe they understand science better than the actual professionals?
     
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  6. duggers_dad

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    ^ There is no virus or disease called Covid. It exists only in the form of a wholly fraudulent test that is literally calibrated to detect segments of a mental construct.
     
  7. QGator2414

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    Florida always has a spike in cases late summer. That has happened since 2020 (your Florida article is referencing a week in late July). And we know most if not all hospitalizations are not “for” Covid but “with” Covid (as ER doctor Dr. Fraiman said…the last patient he admitted “for” Covid was I think February 2022). Stop falling for the propaganda. Shoot stop attempting to spread the fear you live in. The good news is the vast majority understand this. It is just frustrating you are actually pushing to do something harmful and unnecessary to kids.
     
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  8. AzCatFan

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    Does Florida have a stranglehold on pediatric hospitalizations with COVID and not for COVID? Or do all other 49 states also have cases where kids are later diagnosed with COVID who were originally hospitalized for other reasons? You are adding ignorance fuel to your already giant, ignorant fire with your idiotic response. Florida was leading in pediatric COVID hospitalization rates. Assuming the rate of hospitalization with COVID is standard, nothing changes this fact.

    I'm not spreading fear. I'm spreading information. If that information frightens people, there is nothing I can do about that. But I'll take spreading information and allowing people to make their own informed decisions over spreading misinformation and ignorance all day and every day.

    You claim I'm pushing something harmful and unnecessary to kids. But all the studies I've published from people far more educated and experienced than I all say different. Why should I believe you, some schmuck with no education, and no experience, over all the data? The answer is, I shouldn't. Neither should anyone with half a brain. You peddle misinformation and ignorance, which is far, FAR more dangerous. You are the one hurting people You are part of the problem. How many kids might have been able to avoid hospitalization had they simply been vaccinated? Had they listened to people like me, and the experts I trust, who knows. But they didn't. They followed people like you, and look where they ended up!
     
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  9. mutz87

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    Thanks. I don't doubt that SMI is an issue, generally speaking. The heart is a fascinating organ and diseases of the heart is the #1 killer in the US. Still much to be learned. However, there are several problems with your reasoning.

    You can't just look at symptoms of vaccinations and then draw a direct line to SMI. Many symptoms can be symptoms of multiple diseases and/or treatments. Without controlled measurement, it's a big inferential leap from speculation, ntm while ignoring how MI and (and myocarditis etc.) are much more likely to occur from covid infections than from mrna vaccines.

    Put it in a different way, I read up on Bale/Doneen's work (thank you). One of their treatment protocols includes the use of statins due to the association of high cholesterol and coronary artery disease. However, statins can cause neurological problems, liver & muscle damage, and T2 diabetes in some people. Their protocol has been found to have positive effects, yet you can bet the ranch that some patients experience serious side effects from statins (and/or from other treatments as part of their protocol). There's risk to every treatment but these risks are weighed against the diseases they are meant to treat. And it's those diseases, like covid, that are the first problem. Ignoring the effects of covid while obsessing over vaccines is to ignore the effects of coronary artery disease while obsessing over statins.
     
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  10. philnotfil

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    Even with the higher rate of inflammatory side effects, Bale and Doneen recommend the Shingrix vaccine. Because the disease is worse.
     
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  11. duggers_dad

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    Shingles not a virus either. Merely expulsive symptoms, albeit painful.
     
  12. QGator2414

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    You absolutely are pushing something unnecessary and harmful to kids. Big pharma appreciates you. The good news is the vast majority are not listening to you/big pharma/the idiots in public health of this country (not Florida and the rest of the world).

    Stop living in fear. And please don’t risk harming your kids for no reason!
     
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  13. mutz87

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    Have to quote myself from a month ago when you first brought Fraiman into the discussion...

     
  14. duggers_dad

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    Fear is the strongest emotion. And you can’t make billions and billions without it.
     
  15. QGator2414

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    It is almost like they practice medicine...You can bet they do not just automatically prescribe statin because someone has high cholesterol. They take into account the evidence and the patient they are working with. Then evaluate the risk/harm to the situation. Something we have completely failed to do with covid shots. It is/was take the shot or you are somehow a bad person. The antithesis of medicine.

    Giving a shot to someone who is at no real risk is just plain stupid. It was sold originally as we have to protect the elderly. Well it was clear right away the shot did not protect you from the disease. Worse we told people it did and setting up the likelihood people spent time with high risk groups having what they perceived was allergies when in actuality they had covid.

    Medicine is very complicated. Everyone's body is different and will have different reactions to drugs we introduce to it. Which makes the one size fits all take the shot approach...one of the dumbest decisions in the history of medicine. The public health idiots who pushed it on everyone regardless of risk should be fired and never allowed to work in public health again. The ones that still push it and push it for children no less...should be investigated criminally if you ask me (yes I know this is strong in this case). But they will be protected by big pharma and the ones who have so screwed this thing up.
     
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  16. AzCatFan

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    I'm not living in fear. I'm following the data. Maybe the saying is true, that ignorance is bliss, which would explain your complete lack of fear?

    I'll take the truth, data, and expertise opinion over misinformation and fear, which is what you peddle, every day and all day. You offer nothing but crap that is easily debunked by information. I wish you would stop. The data says I'm not harming anyone. How many kids would have avoided a hospital stay had they followed the expert advise that I followed? Can you say the same? No, because the data and facts aren't in your favor. Only your own opinion, which keeps you ignorant.
     
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  17. QGator2414

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    Reality is that most people are not dying because of covid. At this point RSV is likely more dangerous to people than covid. And for goodness sakes the cdc actually only recommends taking the vaccine for RSV after a discussion with your doctor AND being older or having young kids. Yet covid...jab a 6 month old.

    It is really impossible to explain the idiots at the cdc!
     
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  18. QGator2414

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    Please do not be dumb enough to advise or put another one of these shots in your kids or young people!
     
  19. AzCatFan

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    How do you define no real risk? Because any risk that is non-zero of landing someone in a hospital or worse, the morgue, is a real risk in my opinion.

    And why is protection from the disease the only metric to use? If a shot didn't stop anyone from getting sick, but reduced hospitalization and death numbers by a significant measure a failure to you? Why? Why wouldn't we want to lower the risk of severe disease along with hospitalization and death numbers?

    I could post the studies again and again and again that show the data that the vaccine reduces the risk for all that take it. That the vaccine lowers both hospital visits for all ages, and that for all ages, the benefits far outweigh the risks, which is why medical professional recommend taking the vaccine. But I know with you, it will fall on deaf ears. You prefer the bliss of your own ignorance and beliefs, even if they aren't supported by any data at all.
     
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  20. QGator2414

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    Keep taking the shot. Keep getting covid if you want. Just please do not put your kids or advise others put their kids at unnecessary risk.
     
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