Was Derek Chauvin Wrongly Imprisoned?

Wait... you think Floyd was most likely going to die on his own even if he and Chauvin never met? Because that is the question I asked OP.

 

It sure looked like a lynching to me.

 

sigh...

"CLAIM: A new autopsy report for George Floyd has been released in 2023, revealing he died from a drug overdose, not from the actions of arresting Minneapolis police officers.

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. Social media users are sharing a page from the 20-page autopsy report that was publicly released by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner’s office in full on June 3, 2020. It has not been changed since. While the page says he had fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system, and did not have “life-threatening injuries,” the full report concludes Floyd died from “cardiopulmonary arrest,” not an overdose."

George Floyd’s autopsy report is not new, does not say he died of an overdose

 

And what makes you think it was falsified?

 

What is your motivation for sharing this? Did you take the time to verify the audacity of the claim before propagating it? If not, is that a responsible action?

 

He already explained. It came on his twitter feed from far right wing trolls.

 

I saw. That explains the disinformation's source, not my other questions.

 

A lynching by a diverse group of cops while knowingly on camera? I'll respectfully disagree. I'll most likely sit this conversation out because I understand your take and I respect your takes here. I think modern day lynching injects a lot of bias into reasoning that oversimplifies a few concurrent issues with policing as well as bystander involvement with police scenes.

None of this is to try to absolve, defend or justify Chauvins actions.

 

OP posted a link to a Twitter page of someone that is pro Mike Lindell. That's all that you need to know. I'm worried about what kind of info OP is consuming

 

Her official conclusion was cardiopulmonary arrest, not strangulation or asphyxia. Where's the disconnect?

She probably also saw no physical evidence of a broken neck. Hence the cause of death was not "spinal cord injury". We can do this all day.

 

Dude was arrested for going to a store and using a counterfeit $20 bill correct? Up and walking around making transactions (illegal or otherwise). This is not the behavior of someone that’s dying from a fentanyl overdose.

 

No worries antny1. I'm not looking to paint you in any certain light, if you are concerned about that.

I think would agree that it's somewhat loose of an interpretation to say he was lynched, because I don't think Chauvin was executing him for the offense. I think he used excessive and cruel tactics to detain him. That's where the "modern day" part of "modern day lynching" comes into play. Is it modern as in it happened in present times, or is it modern because that's how lynchings look now? It certainly is up to debate and I agree that you make a valid point.

lynch
/lin(t)SH/

verb
gerund or present participle: lynching; noun: lynching

1. 1.
   (of a mob) kill (someone), especially by hanging, for an alleged offense with or without a legal trial.
   "her father had been lynched for a crime he didn't commit"
   
   Similar:
   hang
   
   hang by the neck
   execute
   
   put to death
   
   kill
   
   murder
   
   string up
   
   do in
   
   bump off
   
   knock off
   
   slay
   
   gibbet
   

 

I've mentioned before that I think the "Us vs Them" mindset is the easiest and least guarded against trap of policing. The general public may have a handful of experiences if any at all dealing with the negative interactions with that police (and ems/fire) do on a daily basis. There is an absolute dearth of training, intervention or monitoring this mindset in public service. It should be looked as with equal significance as lethal force training and de-escalation practices because they all intersect and affect outcomes.

I think complacency, biases, distraction etc all contributed to what happened that day and I think policing as well as the general public would benefit greatly from having that discussion instead of taking it the places they did instead. I haven't seen a whole lot of change on the streets in the mindset of first responders as a collective and the leadership regarding these issues isn't making it a priority either.

I think it's very telling that this happened while knowingly being recorded, in broad daylight, with a diverse crew on scene. I think it's much different than if it were not recorded, in an obscured location or with only one or no other officer on scene.

There is too much to type but there are a number of factors thst need to be examined and addressed beyond the oversimplification that characterized the event. That's not to exclude racial factors either. There are significant and insidious problems with policing that continue to be ignored.

 

I am sorry guys but I always said Chauvin's weight is not on FLoyd's neck. Try repeating the phrase I can't breathe over and over without full lungs. In views of the video I've seen most of Chauvin's weight was on his other knee. & of course the most ignored factor of Floyd's death, he had enough fentanyl in his body to kill a horse or in his case a jackass.

 

You at minimum acknowledge that once he's in police custody they are responsible for him getting medical attention especially when a change in alertness or mentation right?

 

I’m always amazed at the MAGA choice of icons. It’s like they look for the worst of the worst, and then raise them to to the be angelic super-victims with fairytales and nostalgia of the wonders of a former time.

 

It was an illegal move by Chauvin, the knee to the neck, especially considering Floyd was already cuffed. Therefore, IMHO, even if Chauvin had no ill intent with the knee to the neck, it was a prohibited method of restraint and he is guilty of killing George Floyd. Whether that’s a manslaughter charge or a murder two charge, I’m not well-versed enough in the law to know. But even if Chauvin was simply unlucky that day, due to Floyd’s heart condition, it’s still manslaughter at the very least. Any pre-existing health condition of the suspect doesn’t change the law as it relates to using excessive force.

 

There isn't a conceivable way to make a victim out of Chauvin. He was the senior officer there. His scene. Lot of mental gymnastics to even try.

 

We haven't met our minimum daily requirement of rightie nutjob conspiracy theories.

 

Sure, Chauvin didn't arrive on scene until 8:17 around 8:25 Floyd appeared unconscious At 8:27, a Hennepin County ambulance arrived. It was around 8:00 when Floyd passed counterfeit $20 bill. Doesn't seem like an unacceptable time frame to me.