Here’s what you’re missing. Whether you committed the crime does not matter for this discussion. What matters is whether one is charged with a crime. Once charged by the feds there is an extremely large portion of the population that has two options: Option 1) Negotiate a guilty plea and a minimal sentence Option 2) Bankrupt yourself paying legal bills and pray you win. For most, Option 1 is the only choice.
I don't disagree with this, but if you are setting out to intentionally break the law as a form of protest to achieve some kind of change, this shouldn't be unexpected either. This is why people who dont just show up to break things and steal podiums but instead are engaged in serious principled activism start bail & legal defense funds, so ordinary people dont have to put themselves at the mercy of the state or face financial ruin. If you think they are hard done, I'm sure someone has set up a legal defense fund, but knowing the right-wing lots of them are just grifts, so be careful.
It's the same strategy they're using for the asinine Biden "Impeachment." They want to weaken the word insurrection, and the word impeachment, by casually throwing it around. If everything is an insurrection, then nothing is an insurrection.
So you figure that what really happened here is that a bunch of people are going to jail for years after pleading guilty to a violent felony or multiple violent felonies for the monetary benefit? Heck, throw out every plea and he still dramatically undersold the number who have gone to trial and were calling convicted.
Oh, so misguided!!! Go look at yours and Bling's brilliant depiction of how many people were charged and how many arrested and how many plead guilty and all the FACTS you brought, then dig a little deeper and you will see that only a handful are serving any time. How many were arrested and not given due process immediately? We will never know. But Jan 6 was about 20-30 instigators and a bunch of followers and the penalties that those convicted of any crime will prove that out. Look past the hatred of one man and try to see what really is going on!!
Is 277 only a handful? Just asking. Jan. 6 sentences are piling up. Here's a look at some of the longest handed down. A little bit more: By the numbers: 110 people have been found guilty at trial and about 366 have been sentenced to incarceration in connection to the attack, according to figures from the U.S. Attorney's Office for D.C. through Aug. About 632 people have pleaded guilty to federal charges, including many who could face incarceration at sentencing. Of the nearly 1,000 individuals charged with entering or remaining in a restricted federal building or grounds, 104 have been charged with "entering a restricted area with a dangerous or deadly weapon," per the U.S. Attorney's office for D.C. About 140 police officers were assaulted during the Capitol riot. https://www.axios.com/2023/08/09/jan-6-criminal-charges-capitol-attack-riot
Yeah, baby, no exercise of a Constitutional right in America these days. As for the assault, you apparently have no idea what little it takes to justify that charge. Besides, it was only three offenders, they didn't storm the Capitol, and they didn't cause injury or death. If they did any of that, they should be punished after due process. That's the trouble with you righties - you beat your chests and go all macho and overreact.
Okay, I looked. Currently, 378 people have been sentenced to incarceration. That seems like more than one handful. Here is the list. Feel free to peruse all the violent crime convictions on the list. Full list of Capitol rioters jailed so far, the sentences they are serving Huh? How can you be denied due process "immediately?" What law are you alleging that they broke by arresting people suspected of a crime? How many need to be sentenced to incarceration before that isn't true, in your mind? Or is it a matter of it must be true, so if they are sentenced to incarceration, their rights were violated?
Why am I reminded of PCU? Seriously though, exactly what can the US do as far as their demands for a ceasefire? Neither side over there wants one. If these protesters are so serious about their demands, they should try to pull off this protest at the Knesset or in front of whatever government chamber Hamas runs and see what happens.
He also wrote this: I worked with Sen. Cory Booker, D-N.J., to legislatively end solitary confinement for juveniles. I applauded President Obama when he stepped in to stop this cruelty. It disturbs me that the outrage from the left seems to be selective. Where is the ACLU when it comes to the prolonged and inhumane solitary detentions of people accused of crimes on Jan. 6, especially for those who are accused of no violence? Yeah...sounds like a guy who's making shit up for political points. That's some serious cherry picking there. More like picking shit out of your ass--because there's this: For more than two years, while they controlled every lever of power in Washington, the Democratic Party and their media allies told a one-sided story about what happened at the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. For more than two years, the surveillance footage from the 2021 Capitol riot, aired this week by Tucker Carlson, was kept from the American public by a Democratic Congress so a false narrative became cemented in the public consciousness. For more than two years, footage that could have exonerated Jan. 6 defendants was kept from their legal teams. People are in prison because of that cover-up. Take the footage aired by Carlson Monday night of so-called “QAnon Shaman” Jacob Chansley being escorted around the Capitol by police officers who help him open the door and enter the empty Senate chamber. ^^^the bolded sounds suspiciously like a specific case...but hey, who's counting... So you pretended not to see even more from it? Like the photographs/still shots of video surveillance included in it? or: A new book about the J6 prisoners, “Due Process Denied,” tells a tale of hell in the Washington, DC, “gulag,” the Central Detention Facility in southeast Washington where most have been housed. Cynthia Hughes writes poignantly of one defendant who committed suicide rather than go back to jail. The defendants have been kept in a separate unit with mold on the walls, brown water and generally unsanitary conditions, are subjected to 23 hours a day of solitary confinement, denied adequate food, medical treatment and religious services ^^^huh, I vaguely recall the Left pitching a hissy fit and throwing a toddler's tantrum over similar treatment of enemy combatants at Gitmo... So...who are these non-enemy combatants? She points out that “the majority of Jan. 6 defendants in the DC jail were active or reservist military or veterans” and she describes a horrific scene on Veterans Day 2021. ...and how else are we treating these veterans and/or reservist non-enemy combatants? “There was a dispute over a mask between a female guard and a Jan. 6 detainee. This female guard became so enraged with the detainee because he wouldn’t wear a mask that she unloaded several cans of Mace . . . and filled the entire pod with fumes. She had a gas mask on, but the men were dropping to their knees and several of them were taken out on stretchers.” Not going to bother going further. Next time how about saving us both some time, and just say TLDR. Feel free to start with this one. (At least you did manage to cull some more details out that you seemed inclined to obscure. Props for that).
Actually, that is exactly what he is doing. He is using actual work to try to cover for making an accusation without evidence. However, Rand is certainly free to hire a lawyer for these defendants to argue that their treatment is inhumane by US law. How do you think that would go? How many people were released due to the Carlson coverage? Or exonerated of a single conviction? Is the claim now going to be that all the judges and the defense lawyers were in on it too? In fact, take it one step further: how many have been convicted after the Tucker stuff? Basically, the argument is that the DC jail is not good enough for these prisoners. I would be willing to bet that Cynthia Hughes never fought for better jail conditions. Of course, Cynthia Hughes might have a reason to do so now, given her practices. https://www.npr.org/2022/02/10/1078...ol-riot-defendants-makes-changes-after-critic Sounds like she is quite credible. But see, I did read. And all you have is foot stomping and saying it is not fair to keep defendants in a jail. Or, put another way, just another example of this:
Example #847589324570983475 on this board that right wingers cannot compare two things or situations and understand the relevant differences.
Especially when you know that you have no basis other than feeling like the law is binding an in-group you think it should protect. But, again, feel free to show me all the people exonerated by Tucker Carlson and the court cases determining that their conditions in the DC jail are not consistent with the conditions required by law. Jail sucks. Let me know when Republicans start advocating for nicer jails for inmates other than their in-group.
