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Please do not harm young people by spreading your ignorance and lies. Ignorance, especially wilful ignorance, is the lowest firm of stupidity.

 

I am not the one that would still put one of these shots in young person. You and the few charlatans left at the cdc are about the only ones left. Please don’t harm young people!

 

No. You're the moron who thinks common, mild side effects that occur from all vaccines are SafEtY signals! And has zero understanding of statistics or science.

I'm not qualified by either education nor occupation to be fully informed on pediatrics. Know who is? Actual pediatricians like the one from Colorado, or this one from the Los Angeles Children's Hospital that recommends the vaccine for all 6 months and older. So, whom should I look to for advice? Some schmuck like me who isn't qualified and also has proven his ignorance over and over again? Or actual medical professional who are more educated, and have tins more practical experience treating kids' medical issues?

I'll take the experts. And lament the ignoramus unfortunately has kids of his own to depart his ignorance to. Hopefully it's not hereditary.

 

Are serious injuries and deaths from vaccines a safety signal ? We know that vaccines injure and kill. What we don’t know is whether large numbers or titanic numbers.

 

So you think 150,000 hospitalizations of elderly aren’t worth avoiding and 10,000 lives aren’t worth saving?

 

Lives saved by any vaccine based on scientific evidence: 0

 

Just speculating a bit, but the difference in vaxx status and all-cause mortality rates might be from indirect effects of the pandemic affecting these groups differently. E.G. vaxxed might have better weathered other problems such as getting into see their doctors for other illnesses and/or experienced less economic hardship etc. that would put them at less risk from dying from other causes.

 

@oragator1 - Sunday's hike was to Ely Peak just outside of town. It's mostly vertical and moderately technical in some spots (see rock scramble in 2nd photo). I'm not sure, but probably about a 500ft change in elevation. Fall colors are still hangin' around.

 

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The experts as a whole are not taking these shots anymore. Please just don’t harm young people!

 

Don’t fall for the propaganda models.

 

Prove it. Meanwhile, the largest children's hospital in Chicago is encouraging all to get their COVID vaccine. The vaccine isn't dangerous. The benefits far outweigh any minimal risks. What is dangerous to kids every time? Ignorance. Please stop trying to influence others with your lies and ignorance. You are doing harm, especially to young people.

 

I have no idea how he’s still allowed to post in this thread, lol. He would be banned for misinformation almost everywhere else.

 

Name any odious authoritarian regime you can think of. Bet your ass they went after purveyors of “disinformation.”

 

LOL! Misinformation. You clearly are misinformed. I can’t believe we have educated people putting shots in kids. Shoot Offit advised his own son not to take the first booster. He is not taking anymore of these shots. Some of you may never get there!

 

No, I'm following the data and recommendations of health professionals who know a lot more than I do. Including Dr. Offit who recommends no need for a booster, as long as the person is already fully vaccinated and has a recent infection. He feels that's enough protection.

The CDC disagrees, and they have a reason. While at current, the age group of 75 and older has the highest hospitalization rate in the US, the 2nd highest rate is kids younger than 4.

The third reason that was argued for here, which I think didn't make a lot of sense, was that if you look at the group most likely to be hospitalized, not surprisingly, that group was over 75 years of age. The group that was second most likely to be hospitalized was children between 6 months and 4 years of age. Most of whom, or many of whom, were otherwise healthy.

So why that group? And the answer is that children in general are the least vaccinated group, and children less than 4 years of age are the least of the least vaccinated group, so about 10% of children less than 4 years of age have been vaccinated. That's why they're getting hospitalized. It's not because they need a booster dose, it's because they need to be vaccinated in general.
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The argument from the CDC is if they encourage the booster for kids, it might encourage more parents to to get their kids the first series of vaccinations, which would prevent severe cases resulting in hospitalization. Plus, the risk of a booster is minimal.

It's a nuanced position from the CDC. The thought is, if they don't say kids should get a booster, then idiots will believe that means kids don't need the vaccine at all. Dr. Offit believes Americans would understand the nuance and say kids don't need a booster if they are already fully vaccinated. But I'm on the side of the CDC. It's well proven on this thread alone the you can never go broke underestimating the ignorance of Americans.

 

Viruses are nonsense and all you folks are falling for it …

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Two things to understand what Offit has said that go hand-in-hand:

1. Young/healthy don't need another vaxx if they are already fully vaccinated
2. Boosters for this group are now "low risk/low reward."

He's not saying is that young/healthy shouldn't be vaccinated at all as you've argued, only that they don't need another. But if they get one, the risk is low, which you also get very wrong.

 

Certainly not on my watch …

 

Agree with what you say. He would have never given a booster to a young healthy person. Including those that are not kids. Being 72 I doubt he has a teenage son that he advised not to get the original booster.

That said. Do you really think he would advise me to get a Covid shot today? I highly doubt he would and I have never taken a shot. He understands seroprevalence and the reality though not test confirmed…I had Covid.

The point is there is no evidence a young person should still take these shots. Hence the rest of the world by and large does not suggest it. But we got to line the pockets of big pharma here in the hood old USA.

That said. Public health screwed this thing up so much with their idiotic guidance through this mess that not only are we seeing no one really take the Covid boosters. But we are now seeing vaccine hesitancy for drugs that have legitimate track records of being effective and safe.