Netanyahu tells Israel ‘We are at war’ after Hamas launches an unprecedented attack, killing at leas

Maybe as the world slowly becomes less diety based. Maybe. But you have two religions who believe they have a doctrine to posses the holy land. It's untenable

 

I think the world is becoming less religious while simultaneously placing more weight on cultivating religious identity & nationalism. Its the worst of both worlds, you got people who dont go to Church and never read the Bible just enacting their bigotry rather than any fealty to scripture or Christs teachings about mercy or humility. The identity is all that matters, and those outside it pay the price and receive no mercy. I think we are keeping religion but removing the spiritual aspects and teachings inconvenient to domination.

 

That time that Colin Powell convinced George Bush to move forward the issue of Palestinian statehood, but was beaten down by Ariel Sharon and the Fifth Estate …

https://x.com/scotthortonshow/status/1712068788131180919?s=61

 

Perfectly said. Israel needs to and will strike back. But it will only continue the cycle. It's just sad.

 

We are talking different timelines. In time, many seemingly intractable struggles find some way to be managed.

I’m talking October 2023. Israel has been subjected to a horrific attack that demands a response. But there is seemingly no way to respond without horrible losses to civilians. Evacuations, etc., help a small amount, and they should be pursued, but in no way will they avoid massive suffering.

No real answer

 

Good use of their recently unlocked treasure to be used for humanitarian needs…yep, that will happen.

 

Wow big choice between eradication and becoming part of a captive labor force

 

You have to go back to 1949 when Israel won the first time.

Also, how come Egypt has a closed border with Gaza?

Now Israel is bombing the crossing to prevent aid to Gaza. I think Israel needs to find a way to get aid to the people there. I know they want to prevent more arms to Hamas but something needs to go in to help citizens.

 

The history of that entire part of the world is a tribal mess. Hard to believe that it is the cradle of civilization.

 

On the one hand they could speed along the ethnic cleansing and displacement they are against and support Israeli interests in that regard, on the other they could provide a haven for desperate people, I don't think that's as easy of a call as you make it seem, politically speaking. I'm sure they will play a role at some point though. Ultimately its just further proof the fate of the Palestinians is not in the hands of the Palestinians.

 

Egyptian oppressors.

Egypt moves to prevent exodus of Palestinians from besieged Gaza

 

No control? THEY ELECTED HAMAS, Mutz.

Look around the world. People in New York, London and Chicago are supporting this crap. You think the Palestinians in these places just happen to favor Hamas, but the ones in Gaza just don't?

I understand the wishful thinking that people aren't evil. But we cannot completely absolve the Palestinian people from responsibility with Hamas. They chose it, now no neighbors or Israel want any part of them. We can't assume they're all like that, but we need to recognize reality here.

This is not justification for the mass slaughter of Palestinian civilians, but this is an acknowledgment of the danger that Gaza poses to Israel. It's not like Hamas usurped their way to authority in Gaza. They were CHOSEN. They train their kids to hate Jews from a very young age. Evil is the norm there. This is not a small radical violent minority, it is the norm.

 

This is where the land issue comes in.

Palestinians have spent their whole lives having beaten into their heads that they can’t leave because that’s how Israel takes the land, and being told (without regard to what degree this is actually true) that that’s how Israel took the land to start with - their relatives briefly fled their land to get away from conflict and then were told they weren’t allowed to come back but they could go to the West Bank or Gaza instead if they wanted.

With that mentality, their perspective is that they don’t want to go be quasi-slave labor in a Gulf state, and if they had their way don’t particularly want to stay in Gaza City / Rafah / Jenin / Ramallah / etc. either but want to go back to their family land in the former Mandatory Palestine.

That was also the philosophical underpinnings of the “secular” version of “Israel doesn’t have a right to exist” that the PLO and most Arab nations pushed (at least prior to some of the peace agreements in the past few decades). There is, seemingly, finally becoming a realization that this just isn’t feasible - 80 or 90 years down the road, Israel can’t just cease to exist to give Palestinians a river to sea state.

 

Just want to say that I may very well have been wrong when I suggested that Netanyahu would benefit politically from the Hamas attack. While he will probably benefit in the very short term the attack could mark the end of Bibi's political career. It apparently took the IDF several hours to respond to the Hamas attacks on kibbutzim near the Gaza border. While the breach itself is attributable to a massive intelligence failure the delayed response following the breach may very well have been attributable to the decision by Netanyahu and his right-wing government to redeploy IDF troops that were previously providing security along the Gaza border to the West Bank to protect settlers. If that was the case it could mark end of the Benjamin Netanyahu's political career personally as well as that of the right-wing's parliamentary coalition responsible for his most recent government.

 

That version of 1948 has been debunked for at least 15 years by Benny Morris and the whole crew of that new historians. Also Jordan in 1970 and Lebanon in late 70s and early 80s are proof they will move, which they shouldn't have to, if it is tenable

 

Egypt gets to enjoy both sides of the argument? They are against Isreal but guard against taking anyone in from Gaza.

 

In my opinion, you neuter the current threat so it's completely incapable for generations to come until the next one emerges. You can only solve one problem at a time.

WWII did not destroy the Nazis. Nazis still exist today. But they have nowhere near the power they did in the 30s and 40s. Just how I see it.

 

https://www.axios.com/2023/10/11/hamas-israel-war-gantz-netanyahu-unity-government

Israel has formed an emergency coalition government similar to Churchill’s for most of WW2. I think this is a fantastic idea. It sets aside concerns about blame and focuses the government on the task at hand, but at the same time the opposition party will be in position to see all of the information about who was at fault for the intelligence failure and will undermine any accusations of cover up in the future.

 

There's a third religion at play as well, one that thinks one of the other two must take control of the Holy Land, so as to bring about the end times and have a newly vengeful Prince of Peace wipe them out