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Netanyahu tells Israel ‘We are at war’ after Hamas launches an unprecedented attack, killing at leas

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  1. okeechobee

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    And nobody knew this ahead of time? Just like nobody knew Iran would make us look like fools with the release of the $6 billion or that they wouldn’t act in good faith with the nuclear deal? Do you believe a group like Hamas felt more empowered when Donald Trump killed Soleimani or do you think they felt more constricted? Did Trump’s taking out Soleimani cause a massive Arab uprising? Did President Trump’s cancellation of the Iranian nuclear deal make the world a less safe place? These are all very valid questions at the present, regardless of your feelings on Donald Trump.
     
  2. tampagtr

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    I am aware of all that and that is the major weakness in his reasoning. But he's a morally serious very knowledgeable individual if you read them regularly. It doesn't do him justice just to look at that
     
  3. tampagtr

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    Partly, but more complex than that.
     
  4. tampagtr

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    I don't disagree. But not my society
     
  5. ATLGATORFAN

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    interesting take. So foreign fighters who have pledged to wipe Israel off the map and exterminate all Jews, come into Israel
    And decapitate infants and slit the throats of toddlers and your answer is to
    Tell Israel to ‘commit to peace because violence doesn’t solve anything’?
     
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  6. wgbgator

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    You live in fantasy of what the Israeli government is, or at least I hope so because uou generally don’t seem like a right wing nationalist supportive of apartheid and ethnic cleansing when other nations do it
     
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  7. uftaipan

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    Whoever wrote violence doesn’t solve anything clearly never had their ass kicked.
     
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  8. okeechobee

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    They might as well tell Israel to pack its bags and we will create a safe space for them somewhere in central Europe, or western Europe, or somewhere like that. We’ll give them the same territorial sovereignty they have now, without the constant worry of terror and/or invasions. I feel like that’s kind of inevitable with the current trajectory of global politics over the past 20 years or so.
     
  9. l_boy

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    What possible path do you see that would appease Hamas to back away from their stated mission to destroy Israel? What exactly do you think Israel should do?

    The only way Hamas stops is Israel leaves the region, which isn’t going to happen, or Hamas gets decimated to the point of non viability.
     
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  10. uftaipan

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    And you’ll do what with the people who are already there?
     
  11. l_boy

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    Violence worked pretty well against ISIS.
     
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  12. okeechobee

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    Help them pack their bags. FYI, I’m not advocating that position. What I am suggesting is that our leaders have been setting the stage for such a scenario for the past 20 or so years. (with the exception of ‘you know who’)
     
  13. okeechobee

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    Another masterclass by President Trump on Middle East policy.
     
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  14. wgbgator

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    This is also ridiculous. People have to learn to live together. It’s incredibly hard, but its the only way we survive.
     
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  15. wgbgator

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    Is it reasonable to expect the occupied not to resist their occupier? Tell them to commit to non violence when that has failed and been met with state violence? As I said earlier Israel is the only one in position to break the cycle. I guess you could say the occupied could submit. But would you?
     
  16. okeechobee

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    Trivia question: Who is the only US President in the past 30 years who didn’t make some phony deal with the Palestinian authorities, only to watch the Palestinian authorities laugh as they pissed all over said phony deal?
     
  17. duchen

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    What are your comments on the Hamas charter? They just acted consistently with that Charter.

    You have skipped over it many times, and have gone back to your anti-Israeli government themes and this.

    Please reconcile your post here with the Hamas Charter.
     
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    We may be talking past each other here. If the post really was BLM, which I assumed, because some of the leaders are that stupid, thus my snarky sarcastic response. However upon reflection it is probably more likely it is someone pretending to be BLM.
     
  20. uftaipan

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    We will see if it is taken down or not.