Border Wall

And here's an actual picture of our current Southern border wall.





Real effective, isn't it?

Still wondering what the justification is to spend billions to cause a massive drop in GDP, spike in inflation, and tearing family apart?

 

OMG that is funny... Lol.

 

I know what it's not. More of the same and expecting different results. I'd start with the Gang of 8 Plan. Not exactly what I'd do, but close enough.

 

make it taller, electrify the top, and have people with flamethrowers nearby to get those who are brave enough to jump over.

problem solved

 

You really think there is a wall we can build that is impenetrable? LOL. Here's a pic of a hole cut in the current wall. No amount of height will change this. You can add flame throwers and armed guards, sure, but at what cost? And you really want to fire at unarmed women and children?

 

Walls work, if you consider 11 known breaches a day working!



Yes, we could man the 2000 miles of border, but at what cost? And what level of force? Do we really want to shoot at unarmed men, women, and children? But maybe, just maybe, we can spend billions more and get the number of breaches a day down to 10!!! Then we can all rejoice and declare victory!

 

I don’t put a price tag on protecting our nation, but if I had to take an educated guess, I’d say about $33 an hour, plus benefits.

if any immigrant continues to advance on our border when told by US officials to stop, then, yes, they should be shot as a last resort. If they’re trying to climb over the wall, I guess you can just push them back over in the direction they were coming from. Perhaps use bear spray. Perhaps a fire hose. There are plenty of non-lethal ways to dissuade someone from crossing the border. But if those don’t work, lead poisoning usually does the trick.

the whole “innocent child” trick is a ruse. You don’t get to do anything you want in this world with impunity just because you’re toting a child with you.

 

Yes, we could cross the English Channel into France, but at what cost? And what level of force? Do we really want to risk American lives and the lives of innocent French men, women and children? But maybe, just maybe, we tell Hitler to stop. Tell him to pack up and go home!!! Then we can all rejoice and declare victory.

~General Dwight D. Eisenhower,
June 5, 1944

 

So undocumented immigrants entering our country to work because they are desperate and can't find work in their home country are equal to Nazis. No comment. No need.

You are correct about average BP salary, $33/hour, times how many agents per mile of border? Just one agent per every 2 miles would be close to $300 million a year in personnel costs alone. I'm sure transportation costs to and from the border would be even more, since a lot of the border area has zero accommodations within miles; so this would be daily costs. So would fixing the wall. Billions upon billions a year.

Now, if Nazis were at our border, I might agree with you. But out of the millions who have come over here in the decades, the overwhelming majority don't make trouble. They come to work, not murder 12 million undesirables in a Holocaust. To equate the two, again, unconscionable. But hey, you want to shoot at unarmed men, women, and children, and think a family looking for work are just as bad as Nazis, then again, I have no need to say anything more.

 

I'm also still waiting on a justification why we absolutely must follow a law, even if the outcome is separation of families and a period of stagflation (recession plus inflation). Especially when this is easily avoidable by passing a Gang of 8 law.

Also would love justification of turning or border into a 2000 mile Normandy while treating citizens, many unarmed women and children, as enemy combatants.

 

(1) you need to read more history books and (2) maybe do some logic puzzles or something similar, because you are falling way short on both points.

I could have used dozens of different analogies to make the same point, but all of them would have been obviously lost on you.

 

Look up the term anarchy and you will find your answer.

you’re welcome.

 

Welcome to the United Anarchy States! Had our Founding Fathers followed the law, we'd still be under the British Crown! And the South? Total racial anarchy because a courageous woman named Rosa Parks didn't follow the law and sat in the front of the bus!

I already quoted Jefferson on unjust laws. MLK Jr had a similar quote.

"One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. Any law that uplifts human personality is just. Any law that degrades human personality is unjust."

Sorry, but not following unjust laws does not lead to anarchy. Undocumented immigrants have been breaking our immigration laws for decades, and were not an anarchist society. Try harder and please tell me why it's justified to break up families and cause stagflation when it's not necessary. Saying it would cause anarchy when many law breakers have actually improved the human condition is another, massive failure in your part.

Oh, my undergrad degree is in history, with an emphasis on the SW US. My knowledge and understanding of the region far surpasses yours. Have you ever even been to the border?

 

Donald Trump agrees with your take on not following “unjust” laws. Not sure that is a path I want to go down.

 

You must be an FSU grad, because I have a minor in History from UF and you certainly don’t have the knowledge of a grad.

you are too naive to be a college grad. I’m guessing 9th grade.

you think it is ok for a foreign national to enter a sovereign nation and proclaim the laws of the sovereign nation are “unjust” and can be ignored? That is kindergarten logic. Name one sovereign nation where that attitude won’t land you in jail, other than US immigration? Go cross the Mexican border with a gun. I dare you. Go to Singapore with some chewing gum in your mouth. I dare you. Fly to China with a blunt. I dare you.

as I said, you are 9th grade at best with you naive, utopian views.

as for your alleged degree in History? Ha! I post an analogy using operation overlord as a point of focus, and you immediately jump to Nazis, which is only 1 of 100s of talking points of this operation. More books were written on this event than probably any other event in world history in the last 100 years. Nazis have nothing to do with the subject matter under discussion, and anyone with a history degree from UF would know that…..unless of course you are a recent grad and UF's history dept has gotten so bad that they are now on par with a 9th grade curriculum. In which case…DAMN!

 

Bachelor of Arts in History from the University of Arizona 1996. Much later got an MBA, but only because it was free working for a university. Many of my UA Professors marched with Cesar Chavez and were involved in La Raza movement. Have you even ever visited the border?

And you brought the Nazis into the discussion by posting the D-Day meme. You equates our border with Normandy. And who, again were we fighting in WWII in Europe? I hope you don't need any college degree to answer that one. I would have never mentioned the Nazis had you not b posted your stupid pic.

And frankly, I don't care about Chinese laws. Don't care about Mexican law unless I'm visiting. They are free to make their own laws and follow or not follow as they see fit. I do care about US law. And our immigration laws make no sense. Haven't for decades. They are not only unjust for the immigrants, but unjust for three business owners who rely on their labor. And unjust to the rest of us who would suffer stagflation if our laws were followed. I ask again? Why should we all suffer if we don't have to?

Last, anyone is free to make the argument any law is unjust. Just if you do, you should be prepared to accept the punishment if caught. The laws Trump broke including keeping top b secret docs in unsecured locations, and attempting to overturn a free and fair election are easily justified in my opinion. Our immigration laws? Not so much.

 

while I don’t condone and agree with UFLawyers childish smack talk, on the more substantive points he is right.

What exactly are unjust about our immigration laws? If anything they are too lax. There is no inherent right to enter another country. I’m all for immigration but it needs to be done in an orderly, logical and secure fashion. Having millions come for economic reasons, step foot in the US, claim fake asylum, and then we let them stay for long periods and hope they show up for court proceedings later is just idiocy.