Netanyahu tells Israel ‘We are at war’ after Hamas launches an unprecedented attack, killing at leas

Hamas going full on terrorist mode attack civilian vs military target. No sympathy for what happens now.

For the past few decades it has come down to does Israel have the right to exist. Much of the area doesn’t believe they do.

 

I dont know if Hamas can be dealt with either, but I do know their credibility is enhanced by Israeli state violence, not diminished by it. Nor can they be eradicated as some seem to think is just a matter of bombing them enough. Right-wingers and to be fair most liberals in postitions of power are too cowardly to take any other tract than the one Israel is taking. It would take real courage and leadership not to act with violence in kind. Going to war is easy, not hard, particularly when its other peoples lives to give. It seems to me our disasterous wars to stop terrorism were total failures and taught no one anything.

 

I’ll disagree and say land and disagreements over it are the primary root causes, the religious hatred is more of a symptom.

 

BLM has no known hierarchy or official spokesperson. What is BLM Grassroots, who authored that statement and with whose approval?

 

This simply isnt true anymore, if it ever was. Pragmatism rules now, everyone is pursuing their own interests and the Shiite/Sunni divide drives more regional politics than any sort of Arab/Israeli beef.

 

Someone who didnt even pay for a checkmark

 

I thought this op Ed made sense

Opinion | Hamas’s Control of Gaza Must End Now




The answer is to turn Gaza into a zone of shared interests. Despite its anti-Israel public statements, Saudi Arabia has long distrusted Hamas because of its close military ties to Iran. Egypt sees Hamas as the Palestinian arm of the Muslim Brotherhood, which it ruthlessly suppresses at home. The ailing Palestinian Authority views Hamas as its principal rival for power. And the United States long ago designated Hamas as a terrorist group.

Could Israel finally dislodge Hamas from power and invite Saudi Arabia, Egypt and maybe the United Arab Emirates to deploy a substantial peacekeeping force to the strip? That would serve Israel’s interests in toppling an enemy and the Arab states’ interests in diminishing a rival.


Could the Palestinian Authority resume civil control over the strip, with security furnished by Arab states and economic aid from the gulf states, Washington and Brussels? That would give Ramallah the control over Gaza it has lacked for 16 years, strengthen secular forces in Palestinian politics and free Gazans from extremist tyranny.

Could Israel and Egypt ease their restrictions on Gaza’s economy and the movement of its people in exchange for guarantees that the strip won’t again turn into a haven for havoc? That would give the Saudis the opportunity to show that any agreement they make with Israel would help ordinary Palestinians.

 

Unavoidable. The Knesset will certainly have an investigation. Now whether there is accountability is another question.

 

Hamas needs to be treated like Al Queda and ISIS. Trying to negotiate with them isn’t courage it is stupidity.

 

All of that makes some sense, except US taking military action against Iran, especially without direct proof of their directing the Hamas attack. US military action could greatly expand the war and creates a whole shit storm of potential conflicts for the US. Not a fan.

 

But not the Taliban, whom we negotiated with. Since Hamas has some sort of legitimacy in governing Palestine and the other groups represent nothing other than themselves, I'm not sure how you could take that position without engaging first. I definitely wouldnt say they should be the only people in talks or even leading them, that would be stupid, but I cant see how they would not be involved as a recognized political organization in some way.

 

Well your second sentence is what I was referencing. Im sure at some point down the road, there will be some token blue ribbon committee investigating the whole crisis from A to Z, but ultimately it will have no teeth. At least not during Bibi's lifetime.

 

I would want credible evidence first, but how much should we take? They funded and supported the attack of Israel and the killing and kidnapping of Israelis and Americans. At the same time they are providing Russia with weapons against Ukraine. For many years I’ve been supportive of trying to find common ground with Iran but it just isn’t going to happen.

So if we blow up their nuclear facilities, blow up some military infrastructure and maybe even some oil fields, WTF are they going to do about it?

 

This rando had 1,000 followers. Nick de la Torre has 55,000.

 

This is madness, why would we want a war with Iran even if there were a smoking gun that didnt involve them directly targeting the US?

 

They were instrumental in an attack on a key ally and American interests.

 

Wow.

 

And? This has never been enought to go to war in all cases, even Israel's in the past!

 

I would be intrigued to know that as well. For the moment, I’ll give BLM the benefit of the doubt and assume some Klansman wrote that, attributing it to BLM.

 

Sarcasm