Border Wall

Words have definitions
Immigrant is not the same as invader

 

What do you think is causing the increase in immigration? What has changed since Trump lost the election?

 

Insane that they couldn't repurpose those wall dollars to the immigration courts

 

The crime of overstaying a visa or entering undocumented is a misdemeanor. You think splitting up families over a crime on the same level of J walking is a good idea? Is it good to punish the child by forcing them to lose a parent? And, are you comfortable with the increased welfare roles that will come with deporting a family source of income that cannot be replaced?

And what proof do you have the immigrants will leave voluntarily? If you're one of the undocumented parents, would you leave your kids and family voluntarily? And Trump came in as an immigrant hardliner. How many left when he was inaugurated? How many did he effectively stop from coming? The truth? Trump accomplished nothing when it came to undocumented immigration.

And even if many did leave voluntarily, you still have the labor issue. Why lose billions in interrupted work by waiting for immigrants to leave only to replace them with a new set of immigrants? Where's the logic? Wouldn't it be better, more efficient, and more cost effective just to legalize those already here, working, and staying out of trouble?

 

A wall won't stop people from coming. You can still claim asylum with a wall and will be bussed around the country

 

Then why is the Biden Admin building one?

 

Been in the mountains hiking. What a thread.

Barriers work in high traffic populated areas and have been in place for years. Maintenance and expansion in those areas makes sense and has been funded by democrats.

Righties trying to twist that around are disingenuous.

 

Obama, virtual wall is all we need
Trump, build the wall!

How about somewhere in between.

The problem is, once folks get to the wall, you have basically lost.

Can we help improve conditions in the home countries .
Political statements that we are not accepting anyone outside of official channels.
Look at how we define asylum, refugees. When you march through 7 countries to get here, it seems that calculous would change.

Interesting that locally they are blaming high produce prices on the lack of workers. The system has been fubar for 50 years. Fix the system and maybe the wall won’t matter.

 

You saw the article that one Cartel put up anti-fentanyl billboards? I bet their sanctions are a bit harsher than ours.

And folks know fentanyl is driven across? Right?

 

Great question. Now tell me how a wall would stop someone from claiming asylum

 

I love the "barriers only work in high traffic areas" only routine. Is that the new talking points?

 

Easy. No one there to tell. You go down to the border and talk to the wall and say you want asylum. Tell me what the wall says back to you.

 

No not so easy as the wall has gates for people that traverse the border daily. You walk up to the gate and claim asylum.

 

Although I have a group of friends that came here on an airplane and never went back

 

Simple. Don't have a gate.

 

Please tell me this is a joke. What would you say to the people that live in the US and work in Mexico and traverse the border daily? What would you say to the people who live in Mexico and work in the US in traverse the border daily? What would you say to the people that traverse the border daily to go shopping or visit friends and family? They have to pass through a gate or you could call it a port of entry. Are you saying that we should just close that off?

 

Yes it's a joke. The US needs to set limits on how many asylum seekers we can take per month/year. Can't have unlimited people being able to come here.

 

I completely agree with you, but that is a different issue than a border wall.

 

I love Puerto Penasco (Rocky Point), Mx, which is a four hour drive from Phoenix. I go a couple times a year. So do thousands of people from Phoenix and Tucson every weekend. With no gate, how do I get to and from the border?

Every school day in border towns like Nogales and El Paso, hundreds of kids who live in Mexico but have American citizenship through birth or parentage come into the US for school. They are entitled to a US education by law. With no gate, how do they get back and forth?

 

It’s obviously where they make they most sense. Which is why historically that’s where they have been put in place. Either Urban or high traffic areas. Building a wall in the middle of nowhere is fruitless, expensive, and has other concerns (maintenance, flooding, environmental).

A wall along the entire border would be a boondoggle. We already got a taste of that with Trumps haphazard, crumbling eyesore of a wall. I think a strong gust of wind already took sections of it out.