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Banks are Bracing for a Recession as Treasury Yields Surge

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by okeechobee, Oct 3, 2023.

  1. okeechobee

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    Hyperinflation will lead to this, but the Liberals still don't see it... or they (the politicians) lie about the truth.
     
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  3. mdgator05

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    Is this post from 2021, 2022, or 2023? Eventually, if you predict a recession every single year, you will be right.
     
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  4. ThePlayer

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    Biden's uncontrolled spending is leading us to a Jimmy Carter level of financial mismanagement and depression.
     
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  5. GCNumber7

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    Hyperinflation? lol
     
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    So far the consumer has been driving things. That will taper as savings levels wind down, Student loans come due again, and consumer credit costs go jumping up. We are a consumer driven economy and much of it paid for over time.

    If the UAW strike lingers on GDP will take a hit.

    Q3 GDP is predicted to pop but more than likely will back track in Q4.

    The big driver will be the Biden spending bills. Lots of cash to go around. Pick the winner by what’s in those bills.
     
  7. mdgator05

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    Wait, so you are opposed to spending increases? When did that start? As a reminder, federal government spending is currently much lower than when he came into office.
     
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    The commercial lending space is a huge concern as corporations won’t be able to refinance debt at similar or lower rates. In short, it’s a house of cards for the financial sector. The higher rates will simply drive more inflation, because companies will pass the additional interest charges to their customers.
     
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  11. G8tas

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    Is it time for the semi annual post about us going into a recession?
     
  12. VAg8r1

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    One can make a similar albeit opposite argument that the surge in rates yesterday was temporary and an overreaction and the ADP report reflected a slowing economy leading to declining inflation.
     
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  13. ThePlayer

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    We're at a 16-year high in bond yields and headed higher.
    Here's a liberal provider of information that hopefully even you can agree with.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/04/us-...rs-assess-interest-rate-economic-outlook.html
     
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  14. VAg8r1

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    CNBC unlike its sister network MSNBC isn't liberal and this is from that link:
    Although it's only a guess rather indicating a trend towards higher rates yesterday could have just as well reflected a cyclical peak in rates.
     
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  15. ThePlayer

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    Disagree about CNBC's liberal lean and the Fed may be near the end of tightening, but rates will stay higher for longer.

    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/cnbc/
    How Liberals and Conservatives Rated the Media Bias of Axios, CNBC, CNN, Fox News, and OAN: Feb. 2023
    Higher interest rates are here for the 'foreseeable future': Economist
     
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  16. gator95

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    We did have a recession in 2022 unless you like to use the "new" definition of a recession.

    Opinion | A Recession by Any Other Name
     
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  17. Trickster

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    Could be a butterfly flapped its wings in the Congo (for which Biden is to blame).
     
  18. mdgator05

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    We did not. Same definition as always. I'll stick with facts, as there was not a recession in 2022 (which is a factual statement), while you post "Opinion" articles.
     
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    LOL. Let's look at what was the historical definition of a recession. So, is 2 straight quarters(6 months if you are struggling to add that up) of negative GDP a recession? Yes. Good try.

    US Recessions Throughout History: Causes and Effects

    In the U.S., the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) defines a recession as "a significant decline in economic activity that is spread across the economy and lasts more than a few months."

    Recession - Wikipedia

    In the United States, a recession is defined as "a significant decline in economic activity spread across the market, lasting more than a few months, normally visible in real GDP, real income, employment, industrial production, and wholesale-retail sales."[3] The European Union has adopted a similar definition.[4][5] In the United Kingdom, a recession is defined as negative economic growth for two consecutive quarters.[6][7]
     
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  20. mdgator05

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    So your argument is that despite posting the definition of a recession in the US, which does not contain anything about 2 quarters of negative GDP growth, that is really the definition because the UK uses it? NBER explained why they didn't name that a recession already. You should look it up. To give you a preview (and because you won't actually looked it up because it doesn't benefit you) they did not do so due to the strong labor market at the time.

    Providing the definition of a recession, which doesn't back your claim that it is based on 2 quarters of negative growth in the US, was a bold strategy. An own goal strategy.
     
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