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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. mutz87

    mutz87 p=.06 VIP Member

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    Flat out untrue.

    Your persistence in being wrong seems to stem from a really naive understanding of the complexity of the scientific method.

    A little about Robert O Young

    Maybe the first rule of understanding science should be to stop following huckster naturopaths.

    Second rule should be stop going back to the 1800s. A lot of science has occurred since then. Germ theory "won" by becoming the accepted valid theory of germs causing disease over the past 150 years because it has been demonstrated repeatedly via science and vice versa terrain did not because over that same time period, science has shown it not to be a valid explanation refuting disease causation.
     
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  2. duggers_dad

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    Before you even dug into the excerpt, from Robert O Young, you madly googled to find dirt on the man. Aside from that, were you expecting to find a refutation, of germ theory, from the type of physician whose livelihood depends on it ?

    Honestly, I’ve known Jehovah’s Witnesses who weren’t so entrenched as you appear to be.

    But yes, a lot of money and politics and smoky back room deals and wrangling has occurred, since the 1800’s, to elevate healthcare to the widely acknowledged third leading cause of death in the US. And I would contend the leading cause of death.
     
  3. mutz87

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    I simply googled and that dirt came right up in his wiki page.

    --Fake degrees from bachelors to doctorate in 8 months from a defunct degree mill
    --Convicted felony fraudster selling miracle cures
    --Sued for 100s of millions of dollars

    I didn't need to dig into the excerpt since there's over 150 years of evidence supporting germ theory, which is to say that if germ theory couldn't withstand scientific scrutiny and/or some other theory came along that better explains infectious disease, then it would have fallen to the wayside...as scientific theories often do. But germ theory didn't. It has withstood the test of time with the weight of the empirical evidence in peer reviewed research bolstering its validity.

    The one who is entrenched is the one whose only goal is to grasp at any straw they can so as not to accept what the science shows.
     
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  4. duggers_dad

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    The first chief editor of JAMA had a mail order diploma. And the first MDs were considered the original ‘quacks.’

    Nowadays, doctors spend $250,000 and go to school for eight years to learn the vaccine schedule.

    Bear in mind that, between the two of us, I’m the one who’s embraced both paradigms. You’re still a crusty vanguard of the ancient religion that goes back to …

    gods are angry —> vapors —> invisible poison pained on walls circa 1638 —> microbes entering the ears of otherwise sterile people, per Pasteur —> your dead cellular debris unbeknownst to you killing grandmas every flu season.
     
  5. BigCypressGator1981

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    PSA: don’t feed it.
     
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  6. duggers_dad

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    The checkered history of public health entails planned vaccination campaigns in search of a virus. From a 1973 NYT article, the so-called Swine Flu was predicted in 1978, but the vaccine was ready before that so they had the pandemic early. Then of course the vaccine was withdrawn because it was killing people …

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  7. GatorJMDZ

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    PSA 2: Q Tip for the day: Flossing keeps the Covid away.
     
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  8. mutz87

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    You've fully embraced fringe ideas, fake experts, and fallacious reasoning (cherry picking seems to be among your fav), ntm creative fiction in how you characterize things, which is to say, misrepresent many things you comment about. So you'll have to forgive me for dismissing your argument for being nonsense upon stilts.
     
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  9. GatorJMDZ

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    You would be far better served getting your medical advice from Trump's alien sperm doctor.
     
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  10. duggers_dad

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    “Cherry Picking”

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  12. duggers_dad

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    So was Trump. Hmmm, coincidence?

    meanwhile, back to Covid ….
     
  15. duggers_dad

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    Why do you hate Trump so ? Wasn’t he the Father of the Vaccine ? Didn’t he literally save your life ?
     
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    Ha yeah, don't let 'em all fool you, if trump would have stayed in very few of the lefties would have gotten covid vaxed.
     
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  17. duggers_dad

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    The point of the article I posted would also apply to the readiness to be vaccinated and the propensity to chide those who aren’t.

    Call it bottom-up infantilism or, alternatively, parental socialism.

    Comes across as “If you can’t trust Dr. Marcus Welby, who can you trust ? Some internet crank ?”
     
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  19. duggers_dad

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    “You’ll be surprised at all the crazy stuff your Man of the Year is going to accomplish quickly.”

    — call to Time Magazine in 1938 —
     
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  20. VAg8r1

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    Kind of like the Time Person of the Year in 2016, the winners in both 1938 and 2016 were selected because they were very consequential not because of their positive accomplishments.
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