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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. mrhansduck

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    Nothin' the old pink calamine lotion in the cabinet couldn't fix.
     
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  2. QGator2414

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    There is no potential of harm by wearing it. There is the potential of harm by taking the shot. That is a major difference!!!

    And the shot does not protect you from the disease. There is always that as well.
     
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  3. QGator2414

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    We use our phones and cars until they die. Bought our first new car recently as we have a 15 year old. Wanted to get something that brought more comfort when it comes to reliability and would be safe that we could send her off in once she graduates (she gets the 07 at 16 lol). Then repeat the process with the next two kiddos. Hoping our 07 and 11 make it that long!
     
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  4. mutz87

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    Kinda like that with but w/my parents, both in their 80s. They wanted to switch to some weird plan to save money. My niece gave my father her old iphone (I think a 7 too) and I gave my mother a 12 that we had gotten through insurance. Only reason I have a 12 myself is because my old one got damaged beyond repair otherwise I would have kept it. I think it was a 10. I have both of my parents on my plan.
     
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  5. QGator2414

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    I have a 12 only because I left my 10 on the hood of the car while throwing footballs with the kids. Found it 3/4 a mile away the next day lol. Amazing how it ended up. Just glad my DL and credit cards were still there. Though spread over 30 yards…
     
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  6. G8trGr8t

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    Get new i phone for free if you sign 24 month seevice contract with most carriers. I traded a junk S-8 in andvgot a S-23 ultra for $3 per month over a 24 month contract
     
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  7. mutz87

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    That's exactly how my previous iphone got destroyed!

    Wife went and looked for it when we got back home. Found it just outside our neighborhood on a main road. We think it got run over.
     
  8. danmanne65

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    My final update. I got my flu shot and Covid booster on Monday. This morning I have absolutely no pain or swelling. My resting heart rate is back to normal. (It was elevated the last two days. Related to the Covid shot. I don’t know.) My sleep patterns are also back to normal. The first day after my shot I dozed off and on all day. If I was a working stiff, I think I could have powered thru but who really knows.
    In conclusion I got my booster and flu shot and had mild symptoms that disappeared after 3 days.
     
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  9. duggers_dad

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    Always happy to see people recovering from vaccines. A former teammate of mine contracted GBS from a flu vaccine. A FB contracted GBS from her Pfizer. Both these were confirmed by their physicians.

    Additionally, a friend of the family developed debilitating blood clots that reduced her to semi-invalid for months. And a neighbor suffered progressive paralysis, which her physicians could never diagnose and she recently passed away.

    I cannot say vaccines were culprits in the latter two, but it is not the least bit plausible that they were.
     
  10. AzCatFan

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    Speaking of vaccines, the RSV vaccine for those 60 and older, or 32 plus pregnant has been approved. Some common side effects of the vaccine include:
    • fatigue
    • fever
    • headache
    • soreness
    • nausea
    Look familiar? It should, because these are common side effects of 100% of all vaccines. There is a small risk of Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS) after vaccination, but the benefits far outweigh this risk.
     
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  11. duggers_dad

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    Speaking of costs-benefits …

    Out of the roughly 34,000 people who either received the vaccine or a placebo during the clinical trial, roughly 0.5% experienced a life-threatening reaction. Adverse events up to one month after the injection were reported 9% of the time with the vaccine—with about 1% of those injection-related.

    Weigh against 0.0% incidence of non-existent virus.

    RSV Vaccine Side Effects: What Older Adults Should Know Before the Shot
     
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  12. duggers_dad

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    Could have gone the other way, but the fraud Pasteur had the better PR …

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  14. mutz87

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    Science doesn't work by who has better PR

    Curious, which crank germ theory denialist website did you crib this off of?
     
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    “However, he noted that “the clinical trials were not large enough to determine the efficacy in reducing hospitalization or death.”…

    In light of the possibility that the vaccines may cause “inflammatory neurologic events,” the CDC recommends that only people “at the highest risk for severe RSV” be vaccinated.“

    And the idiots at the cdc recommend a 6 month old take a Covid shot lol!
     
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  16. duggers_dad

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    I don’t know. How did the science work to create a world in which we weren’t allowed to open our businesses or send our kids to school or attend church or comfort our dying or bury our dead ? Was that scientific ?

    And I think we both know that ‘denialist’ is a clever ploy to imagine that the people who are asking more of scientists are the same sort of people who might root for little Anne Frank to wither away in some concentration camp.
     
  17. mutz87

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    That things were closed down is not the science of infectious disease, but political governance in response to it. Same would be if we didn't close things down. Though political governing decisions tell us a lot about how people might react to something determined by science, it's not the science itself.

    Remains that germ theory won out over terrain and other competing theories because science determined this over the course of the last 150 years, not because Pasteur was celebrated and Bechamp was not.

    Though it should be mentioned that Bechamp's ideas are not all wrong, as science has also determined. What they don't do is negate that deadly pathogens exist.

    Asking "more" of scientists while at the same time denying science is less than honest skepticism. Case in point is your post about Bechamp, attributing that things would be different if he had better PR.

    Your right to believe these things, but you will be wrong until you come to grips with the reality that deadly pathogens exist, cause disease, and kill because that is what science determined. By not accepting this reality, you reject science in the first place. And in the second, you seek a path that only looks to confirm faulty premises and your own biases.
     
  18. duggers_dad

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    You’re off base on the culpability chain. Arguably, governments were the latest to the party in ratifying the panic that killed multitudes …

    Public Health (scientists) —> media —> government(s).

    Add: from The Private Science of Louis Pasteur …

    Although experimental ingenuity served Pasteur well, he also owed much of his success to the polemical virtuosity and political savvy that won him unprecedented financial support from the French state during the late nineteenth century.
     
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  19. mutz87

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    A deadly novel animal pathogen set off the panic chain. Scientists, media, government and the public reacted to that reality.

    Why do you think only a few cases in China caused immediate alarm from public health & infectious disease experts around the world?

    Conspiracy premised on friend and foe being in on it where there was no deadly pathogen, or is it that science has led us to a damn good appreciation of the destructive potential of infectious disease, especially novel animal pathogens?
     
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  20. duggers_dad

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    Science has never found a deadly communicable pathogen via the scientific method. By faith ? Yes. Again I point out that virologists are people who presuppose viruses and see them into existence.

    More on how Pasteur won out over Bechamp …

    It is at once unbelievable and understandable that the superficial dogma of Pasteur2 could have prevailed over Bechamp’s insights in the 19th century French Academy of Science. Unbelievable because of the meticulous documentation and presentation Bechamp1 made of his prolific work. Understandable because Pasteur2 stole enough of the truth to make it pass, while having on his side upper class connections and a doctrine that more suited the cultural (especially religious) moods of the time. Abetting, if not creating, an atmosphere repressive to truth was a mood of impassioned ignorance among ecclesiastic authorities at the University of Lille, where Bechamp1 had moved in 1875 to teach. In a manner similar to that which devastated Galileo, they vigorously opposed the “heresy” of the microzymian view. Heightening the poignancy of this tragedy was the depth of that ignorance, which was unable to realize that the view was not heretical at all. In fact, Bechamp was a devout Christian who felt his inquiries merely to be revealing the Creator’s modus. But it is perversely awe-inspiring to see such bias having persisted for a century, supported by the structure of authority in bioscience, so that Bechamp’s principles have not yet (2015) been given fair examination in the mainstream.

    Who Had Their Finger on the Magic of Life - Antoine Bechamp or Louis Pasteur?