Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Not true of any vaccine or so-called infectious disease.

 

Is there a valid request for evidence

I was hoping you’d interpret it as ironic.

And assuming you’re asking for info on at-home deaths, is this what you were looking for ?

https://michaelsimonson.medium.com/...use-of-this-year-s-excess-deaths-7d92f436643f

 

It doesn't upset me at all. Recommendations are just that. CDC also recommends flu vaccines and a lot of people don't ever get one. And they recommend a lot of other health practices, many of which people don't follow. No harm in the recommendation given the safety of vaccines and their potential benefits to the individual and overall public health.

I think you miss how that despite healthier people being less likely to get really sick or die from covid shouldn't lead you to think covid isn't dangerous, both to individuals and public health.

It's in the nature of infectious disease itself where even if john is healthy and gets it, he can transmit it to mary who is unhealthy and dies from it. Or to bob who is healthy with no known comorbidities but given the unpredictability of infectious disease also gets really sick and dies.

Scale that up to where infectious disease is spreading at pandemic rates and you have a public health crisis that doesn't only disproportionately harm the less healthy, but indiscriminately and randomly harms healthy/low risk, making it dangerous for the public as a whole.

There's a thread on here about El Salvador that offers an analogous scenario in how homicides when occurring at extremely high frequency affects not only those who are murdered/more at risk of being murdered but the public as a whole. This despite most individuals in the population being at a lower risk for ever being murdered. At extremely high rates such as pandemic rates, so to speak, low risk means a non-zero and not insignificant number of murders among that population.

 

I never followed any of the CDC guidelines and am likely all the better for it.

 

Grift on!

It's amazing there are these "covid hospitalizations" but all we see is almost no children being hospitalized for covid still. Some people will cling to their covid beliefs even when they were 100% wrong on pretty much every covid metric. Can't fix stupid.

 

The shot has nothing to do with the severity of covid. It is less severe on its own. The media and cdc will not tell you this but we could have saved so many lives if we did not get focused on a one size fits all shot that is now going to have an acceptance of maybe 7% as we know it is pointless now.

 

This is an example of having absolutely nothing to add to the conversation, but not wanting to admit you are wrong. So, instead of actually discussing the data presented, you resort to 6th grade name calling, and like the schoolyard bully, you declare victory. Meanwhile, the intelligent people are having a real discussion about the fact the numbers show unvaccinated kids 5-11 are hospitalized at a 2.1X rate than the vaccinated. Even if the overall hospitalization rate is low, please explain to us why us parents with a kid in that age range wouldn't want to lower the risk of hospitalization in half? Or, is all you are capable of is silly insults that add nothing to the conversation?

 

What’s wrong with you people’s immune systems that you take vax after vax and get Covid again and again ?

 

SOMEONE hasn't been paying attention again. smh.

 

See what a grifter does is they never admit they were wrong. I get that it's hard to admit you fell for the ruse that the CDC knew what they were doing. Lockdowns, school closures, masks, natural immunity and vaxxing healthy kids were all 100% wrong and until people can admit they were wrong, then this will happen again. Look at these idiot areas in the US enacting mask mandates. Bat shit crazy. If the grifters on here would admit they were wrong, maybe some would give them a break.

 

The media will not tell us this because there isn’t evidence thst your fav GBD would have worked and not have killed more people.

vaccines have likely saved 100s of thousands of lives.

 

Saw "grifter" and thought you were talking about trumph again.

Why do you people think the vaccine was suppose to treat COVID instead of protect you from dying from it?

 

It didn't help young healthy kids. Anyone over 18 should've taken it. Simple as that.

 

Healthy young kids went to school aka petri dish, and spread it around, which then went home to grandma with COPD. Can you see the connection?

 

I was wrong on NI, and have admitted such many times in the past. I was following the data, which at the time was coming out of Manaus, Brazil. The early returns were showing NI to be very poor as compared to vaccine immunity. The issue turned out to be faulty data, and in the end, the data actually showed NI to be better than vaccine immunity. The data also showed that hybrid, infection plus vaccine to be best. Which meant that if you had never had COVID, getting a vaccine would be your best bet. And even if you had COVID, getting a vaccine in order to reach hybrid immunity was your best bet.

Vaccinating kids was worth it too. 2.1X hospitalization rate among unvaccinated kids ages 5 - 11. And 7X myocarditis rate for unvaccinated and infected versus myocarditis caused by the vaccine. Can anyone explain why it's a bad idea to lower the risk of myocarditis and hospitalization?

Speaking of more data, here's some on the efficacy of school closures.

Our results show that having schools closed is effective in reducing the number of new cases. Countries that implement closure have fewer new COVID-19 cases than those that do not. This becomes a reality around 20 days after the implementation of the policy. Its efficacy continues to be detectable up to 100 days after implementation. The result is robust to controls for other forms of social distancing.
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You can certainly make the argument that it wasn't worth it because of the negative impact on education. But I'll argue people's lives are even more important. Children can catch up with their education. Dead people are dead and gone forever (save a zombie apocalypse!)

I won't argue mask efficacy. The data out there doesn't strongly support mask usage. Lab results look good, but real life? Likely due to people not using a mask properly from not changing out masks after a single use to not covering the nose.

I support my opinions with facts, data, and peer reviewed, scientific articles. If the data changes, which happens occasionally in science, so will my opinion.

 

Kids didn't spread it like adults. Also, the vaccine didn't prevent spread. You are saying things which aren't true. That's the issue.

 

There is a reason Europe isn't recommending the boosters to anyone under 60. The sooner people see the CDC isn't being truthful the better. And posting garbage studies doesn't help. Europe showed schools should be open and teachers weren't at anymore risk of getting covid in schools as opposed to the community at large.

 

The European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control would disagree with you.

Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 can occur in schools and clusters have been reported in all types of school settings (preschools, primary and secondary schools). Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 in schools appears to be affected by how widespread the virus is in the broader community as well as the measures introduced in schools to mitigate SARS-CoV-2 transmission.

Most children do not develop symptoms when infected with the virus or they develop a very mild form of COVID-19. However, research has shown that children can become infected and can spread the virus to other children and adults while they are infectious.​

 

Day 4 - headaches and vertigo has returned. back to tylenol for headaches. day 2 of antivirals.

 

Europe is following more of the Dr. Offit suggestion. That if you are already triple vaxxed, plus had an infection, your immune system is already operating efficiently enough, and no need for a booster unless you are 60 and older, or have a serious comorbidity. The CDC is taking a different approach and recommending the booster to all. We'll see which is better.

Speaking of Europe, they formally recommended vaccines for kids 5 and older last month.