Anti-CRT ad during Gators vs. Charlotte Game

read the abstract. it does not negate my arg. In fact, this is gross. Don't think we define solutions the same way.


it's like a study on tenure. Hey, look those who gain tenure make more money, have more job security etc. Hence, tenure must be good.

 

You're talking about value judgments. If my argument for tenure was that it is good because it guarantees job security for professors, which has societal value, then that study would support my argument.

Affirmative action is good because it opens doors for people from historically disadvantaged communities to access high-paying jobs and economic mobility. Of course, that relies on elite universities taking socioeconomic status into account along with race, which they've done a poor job of doing.

But this study shows that getting rid of affirmative action leads to worse outcomes for underrepresented minorities. I consider that a bad thing.

 

that is 1 study from cali that doesn't even make a good arg. there are reams of studies. there is a 2012 Atlantic article I'd recommend. no longer have access. Maybe I'll be proven wrong 1 day, but the obv, feel good solution might not be the best solution.

IMO, the bolded is very, very CRASS & vacuous. It reminds me of this.

'It's a way we had over here for living with ourselves. We cut 'em in half with a machine...' - Apocalypse Now

 

Okay, there are more studies that challenge the mismatch theory. Here is an article discussing the issue:
Are Minority Students Harmed by Affirmative Action? | Brookings
In fact, most of the research on the mismatch question points in the opposite direction. In our 2009 book, William Bowen, Michael McPherson, and I found that students were most likely to graduate by attending the most selective institution that would admit them. This finding held regardless of student characteristics—better or worse prepared, black or white, rich or poor. Most troubling was the fact that many well-prepared students “undermatch” by going to a school that is not demanding enough, and are less likely to graduate as a result. Other prior research has found that disadvantaged students benefit more from attending a higher quality college than their more advantaged peers.

Here are some others:
The effects of affirmative action in higher education
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/003804070507800402
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0038040713500772

That isn't to say that there is no empirical support for the theory. Rather, the data on it is mixed. I don't think affirmative action, particularly as it has been implemented, is anything close to perfect or without flaws. Nor do I think it is in and of itself sufficient to deal with our societal problems. At best, it is akin to placing a tiny band-aid on a massive wound. That said, I think banning the consideration of race and trying to impose a "colorblind" approach on education in general is counterproductive.

 

I'll also say that I've come in, offered studies/data, and tried to have a respectful conversation on this issue with you, so it is disappointing that you're choosing to be condescending and insulting. But I'm sure people could rightfully point out that I do the same when it suits me. Oh well. You enjoy your night.

 

I’m personally of the view that AA gives me, as an employer, the greatest chance of having the best and the brightest minds that a community has to offer.

You noted above that you have students that are woefully prepared for the rigor of college. Agreed! This is reality.

My non-scientific observation: This is a result of poor early aged / primary school identification of academic talent and development… to help people be prepared. Agree or disagree… this is the CRT issue link for me. The system of early identification is lacking — often (there are of course exceptions) the system subdivides and puts black and Latino children in less rigorous courses and academic position for success in college.

hot take: highly educated Nigerian and other west African immigrants families check the box as “black”. Fits a narrative of color over experience.

 

As a former HS guidance counselor I’ve already posted before that we were instructed to pull minorities and place them into honors and even AP classes. Most didn’t do well due to lack of interest and poor habits.
Nobody is holding anyone back who wants to better themselves.
They aren’t overlooked…they are under parented.

 

High school is now junior college. High school is too late. I said in my post, which you disagreed with, “early aged / primary school”. You think early aged and primary school kids are not slotted to certain paths?

 

Hence the under-parented part of my previous post.
You’ll need to get inside the homes to alter culture.
I promise you that the majority of govt schools have libbie teachers who aren’t overlooking any students.

 

I doubt you can promise me this, but if you pinky promise I might consider.

 

I can also promise you that your gif selection cannot be seen.

 

some days it works, some days it doesn’t.

 

So circling back to this lecture series on the Making of Modern Ukraine and in this episode, before he even gets to Ukraine, Snyder talks generally about the reason that tyrants try to manipulate the learning of History.

Among those are the fact that the absence of bearings from the past opens mythmakers to argue that the innocence of our group is all that matters. Also, if you can suggest that history has ended, you suggest that this is what you get and you flatten the imagination to keep people from thinking about how things could be different.

Sounds exactly like DeSantis and Trump and the Modern Right on Critical Race Theory.

18: Before and After the End of History - The Making of Modern Ukraine