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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. AzCatFan

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    You know, if 100% of the population was vaccinated, and there was 2 hospitalizations and 1 death, then 100% of the COVID hospitalizations and deaths would be from vaccinated people. And according to you, that would mean the vaccine had failed!!! But of course, you fail to understand basic statistics, and for whatever reason, refuse to understand that rates/denominators matter. Yes, more vaccinated have died, but then, by rate and by all age groups, the unvaccinated are being hospitalized and dying at a higher rate.

    I'll ask again, 10,000 unvaccinated 20 somethings and 10,000 vaccinated, which has more COVID hospitalizations deaths? Which has more COVID deaths?
     
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  2. danmanne65

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    I honestly think that my arm soreness is my only symptom. I also drank more than I should have last night. There was a fundraiser for an acquaintance who has cancer. All drink purchases went completely to him. lol. I overimbibed because I am a generous guy. lol.
     
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  3. QGator2414

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    You have no concept of risk in health. Well I take that back...you live in so much fear that apparently you will take drugs regardless of risk/harm analysis. And that is fine. With that said...there is no way that these shots should have ever been approved for young healthy people based on the risk analysis of the disease and who was at risk.
     
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  4. QGator2414

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    A complete misunderstanding of the potential harm happening. Better hope it is not SMI...

    Now thankfully the human body is an amazing thing. And while harm may have been caused it will work to heal it. Let's just hope the harm really was nothing to be worried about.
     
  5. AzCatFan

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    20,000 people between 20 and 29. Half of them vaccinated. The other have unvaccinated. Which has a higher COVID hospitalization rate? Which has a higher COVID mortality rate? Answer this question and you might understand why public health officials want everyone vaccinated. Refuse to answer this question, and you only continue to shine a huge spotlight on your own ignorance.
     
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  6. gator95

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    Grifter gonna grift...
     
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  7. AzCatFan

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    Do you have something to add to the conversation? Or just driving by?
     
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  8. HeyItsMe

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    He’s a total buffoon. Props to you for saying persistent in trying to educate him, Cat.
     
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  9. QGator2414

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    Which half potentially caused SMI unnecessarily. All of them were going to get Covid. And considering most would have been hospitalized "with" Covid but not "for"...you have to be stupid at this point to think it was a smart to push these shots on people that were at little to no risk.
     
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  10. QGator2414

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    He is just calling a spade a spade.

    I forgot...are you going to be one of the 7% that takes this booster? Are you going to jab your kids with it?
     
  11. gator95

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    Yeah, he was so right on lockdowns, school closures masking, natural immunity and vaxxing kids. Oh wait, the grifter was 100% wrong on all those things. You must be a lemming also. Congrats!
     
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  12. AzCatFan

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    If this were true, then please explain the fact that according to Washington State data, the age group 12 - 34, the unvaccinated were 2.9X higher to end up in the hospital? What's your explanation? The unvaccinated are just unlucky? They are inherently prone to accidents or other diseases? Or, is COVID an actual factor?

    You are again refusing to answer the simple question. Do you enjoy your spotlight in ignorance?
     
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  13. mutz87

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    A virus that killed over 1.2m in the US & over 6m worldwide w/how many tens of millions getting sick is not dangerous but temporary inflammation, a day or two of missed work, or extremely rare serious adverse events or even rarer death from a vaccine is the motherlode of danger?

    ...while the rate of death among unvaccinated is far higher than vaccinated.

    And yet you're telling other people that they don't have any concept about risk of health?
     
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  14. duggers_dad

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    I’ll play the game. To a point …

    1.2 million Covid deaths in the US out of 6 million worldwide ? Hmm, almost seems like a first world problem …
     
  15. HeyItsMe

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    This is the same guy that said flossing will help prevent Covid and that natural immunity is better than the vaccine now considering that getting natural immunity requires you to get the virus that could very well either kill you, hospitalize you, or cause very bad long term side affects if you do contract it. His understanding of how things work is not exactly in the upper echelon of great scientific minds in the world.
     
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    ^ This coming from a guy who believes people are deadly disease vectors (but doesn’t ruminate about all the people he may have killed in prior decades of flu seasons) and eagerly rolls up his sleeve to take ‘preventative treatments’ that we now know to be harmful and even deadly for substantial numbers.
     
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    Not that I don’t believe you. But I’d like to see where and when. the cdc said this and the context.

    Remains that the excess mortality data don’t ID location other than state and their data are based on death certs after finalization sent from the states
     
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  18. mutz87

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    The flossing thing made me chuckle. I think it comes from his firm belief that if people were just healthy they wouldn't die from covid. Funny thing is too, there's kind of a truth to it in that flossing is good for your mouth health and thus good for overall health. But even healthy have died from covid or gotten really sick (I know quite a few). I don't think he appreciates that you can't just snap the fingers and make a population healthy...though you can vaccinate them and achieve the same effect or better. .

    Don't get me wrong, I like q. I don't understand his fierce opposition to vaccinations etc. but I've known him for quite a long time on here and always got along, so I try to overlook some things.
     
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  19. QGator2414

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    There is and was no reason to put these shots in a young healthy person. You would have to be stupid to do it again. Literally.

    Provide the hard data. You will find that the vast vast majority of people that were younger and end up in the hospital with covid were obese/diabetic/etc. They were not a healthy person.

    These shots were and are dangerous. I supported them for the high risk groups early. And own that. I believe I was wrong now.

    I don't think you are dumb enough to do it again. But please do not jab your kids again!
     
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  20. QGator2414

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    The vast vast majority were over 65 and had comorbidities. Also most were not killed by Covid. But you continue to peddle that lie. Most died with Covid not from Covid. The virus was bad. Especially for older people. So yes you have not concept of who is at risk when it comes to Covid. None. At least you now understand you do not need the shot!