Biden admin granting temp legal status to more than 470k migrants. Will now build wall

So you have AI and the Border patrol there to stop them. Not hard. Which is harder, the Wall above or the picture below...

 

Yeah, because the Israelis never came up with "AI" or people on the border. It actually is quite hard to keep people that want to go across a long border from getting across a long border. You may wish it wasn't, but it actually is because motivated people will find ways. Which is why we have spent billions trying, but largely failing (it should be noted that those people are likely heading to a wall with border patrol, including cameras and automated patrols, in that picture, BTW, because that is what our border looks like after billions spent uselessly on it).

 

Thanks for agreeing a Wall is harder to get over than no wall. Appreciate it.

 

There are known breaches in the Israeli wall, to the point where thousands of Palestinian workers come in and out through them daily. Sound familiar? And if we were to build our wall, it would be much more of a logistical nightmare. Our wall would have to be 5X longer, and be built on sand dunes in the Yuma sector, mountains in the Tucson sector, and across a river in Texas. Manning this wall would cost billions, even with tech and AI, because much of this area has extreme weather conditions. And tech doesn't work up to lab standards in these conditions. Ask anyone who lives in Phoenix/Tucson how long their car battery lasts, for example, and the average will be two to three years because of extreme conditions.

A much better plan is an expanded guest worker program that allows the migrants to enter legally, be checked at the border, and then pay for their stay once they are in. And it's not like we don't have a need for their labor. We do. A wall? Even in Israel, it doesn't work.

 

Everyone saying don't build a wall have no logical reason not to. We are spending billions on illegal immigrants coming into the US. Use that money to build a bigger wall than in Israel and it will help immensely. Anyone for the status quo has their head in the sand.

 

So your plan is to deter people that traversed thousands of miles of hostile territory, areas which are populated by criminal gangs looking to take advantage of them all over the place, have terrible climates for thousand mile walks, and have limited infrastructure to make it easier on them, by making them climb a ladder? Okay, good luck with that strategy. It's been working so well thus far.

 

And the wall in Israel is stopping how many? Slowing down how many? Zero. So why spend billions of dollars and accomplish nothing but a photo op? Please explain that logic.

Better solution. Funnel these immigrants into processing centers where we can do background checks for those coming to work. Then make them pay for a guest visa. 8 million undocumented already working here. Charge $5/week and that comes to $2 billion a year we could receive in taxes, versus spending billions to accomplish nothing. That's logical. The wall is a waste.

 

Again, have the Border Patrol take any ladder they see. Not difficult. Much better than doing nothing. You are for the status quo. That shows me all I need to know.

 

Now we have posters just making up that walls don't stop anyone LOL. Holy crap this is funny. Can't fix stupid.

 

Here is my logical reason not to: as you mentioned, we are spending billions already on the border. That has included billions in the construction of walls and other physical barriers all along the border. You are claiming that this hasn't been successful. Now, you are claiming that the solution is to do more of exactly the same thing. But better. Somehow. Just like it didn't work before, it won't work again.

 

Oh wow. It's a good thing ladders are difficult to come by then. It is amazing that the thousands of border patrol agents patrolling the substantial number of walls haven't come up with this solution already.

I am absolutely not for the status quo. You are for the status quo, but more of it.

We spend billions a year hiring and paying agents, building walls, buying drones, buying cameras. You admit that hasn't work. And your solution? Hire and pay agents, build walls, buy drones, and buy cameras.

 

Why use a ladder when you can just walk?

Smugglers cut through Trump border wall over 3,000 times, report says

Sections of former President Trump’s border wall between the U.S. and Mexico continue to cost the government millions in maintenance to fix sections breached by smugglers.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection records obtained by the Washington Post show that suspected smuggling gangs managed to hack through the heavy steel bollards making up the fence 3,272 times between 2019 and 2021.

https://fox4kc.com/news/smugglers-cut-through-trump-border-wall-over-3000-times-report-says/

 

All we have to do is make sure they don't have power tools and ladders readily available in Mexico. Then the wall will work!

 

Doing it half-assed isn't the answer. IF the US wants to make it very hard to enter the US, it is easy to do and would end up being less than how much the illegal immigrant problem is currently causing us. But go ahead and keep thinking the status quo is working...

 

Says someone who has likely never visited the border. It's thousands of miles, must of it not passable by motorized vehicle. It's either foot or hoof. Here's the border in the Tucson sector, near Sierra Vista.



Here's the Yuma sector:



Pray tell, how do we man all this borderlands with enough BP to confiscate every ladder they happen to come by? How much does that cost? Where do we house all these agents? There are no houses, hotels, or motels sometimes hundreds of miles within the border. And again, much of the mountainous areas in SE Arizona isn't accessible by motorized vehicle. Where do we stable all the horses? How much does that cost?

Walls are ineffective and costly. Even more so in extremely remote areas.

 

Sure, cut right throw that concrete wall, I'm sure that's easy...

Seriously, people thinking this shouldn't be addressed or because a half-assed attempt means don't try again is such lazy thinking. Sounds familiar though...

 

How many billion a year would qualify as not "half-assing" it? You are asking for more of the status quo. I want us not to do what we have been doing. You think there is aagic number that we can reach where it works. What is that number? Because increasing spending there by 10x didn't do it, so how much more is necessary for your plan to work?

 

So we have this here. Hmmm, according to everyone on here, this isn't possible...

Israeli West Bank barrier - Wikipedia.

Israeli officials (including the head of the Shin Bet) quoted in the newspaper Maariv have said that in the areas where the barrier was complete, the number of hostile infiltrations has decreased to almost zero. Maariv also stated that Palestinian militants, including a senior member of Islamic Jihad, had confirmed that the barrier made it much harder to conduct attacks inside Israel. Since the completion of the fence in the area of Tulkarm and Qalqilyah in June 2003, there have been no successful attacks from those areas. All attacks were intercepted or the suicide bombers detonated prematurely.

 

We've flushed billions of dollars down the toilet already with ineffective walls! What's the answer? Throw billions of more on a mega wall that will be, in the end, equally ineffective! And you call me illogical?

 

If our wall is to keep our Palestinian bombers, or any hostile infiltrations, we don't need one. To date, a grand total of 2 people have been convicted of terrorism who came here crossing the border illegally. And they came as children, only later to become radicalized as terrorists. Now, how effective is the Israeli wall at keeping out Palestinian workers who come just to work?