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Both of those sources tell the same story as the data from England he himself posted. The vaccines are very effective at reducing deaths.

 

Yep. Here is the link that contains the UK numbers. Main points are vaccinated are less likely to die from COVID. For non COVID death rates, vaccine status plays no part as COD rates are equal.

 

Cancers Appearing in Ways Never Before Seen After COVID Vaccinations: Dr. Harvey Risch | The Epoch Times

Dr. Risch is professor emeritus of epidemiology in the Department of Epidemiology and Public Health at the Yale School of Public Health and Yale School of Medicine. His research has focused extensively on the causes of cancer as well as prevention and early diagnosis.

There is difficulty in observing whether a vaccine can cause cancer, because cancer usually takes time to develop, Dr. Risch said. It can take anywhere from two years to 30 years, depending on the different types of cancer, from leukemia to colon cancer.

“What clinicians have been seeing,” said Dr. Risch, “is very strange things: For example, 25-year-olds with colon cancer, who don't have family histories of the disease—that's basically impossible along the known paradigm for how colon cancer works—and other long-latency cancers that they're seeing in very young people."

Another example Dr. Risch gave was breast cancer, which normally, if there is a remanifestation after surgical removal, the remanifestation occurs after two decades. However, vaccinated women are now seen to remanifest breast cancers in much shorter periods of time.

“Those are the initial signals that we’ve been seeing, and because these cancers have been occurring to people who were too young to get them, basically, compared to the normal way it works, they’ve been designated as turbo cancers,” Dr. Risch said.

 

You’d think excess mortality and a rash of apparently new issues would rate more than a laughing emoji.

Reminds me of the way anguished parents of autistic children who’ve expressed concerns about vaccines have been met with derision and scorn and anything other than empathy.

 

That's because all the data shows that for non-COVID reasons, vaccination status doesn't matter when it comes to deaths. But for COVID deaths, the unvaccinated die at a greater rate. Excess deaths are either from COVID, or from things like natural disasters. Nothing shows correlation, let alone causation that the vaccine is reason for excess deaths.

Just like there is no correlation or causation that vaccines cause autism. The initial study has been completely debunked as junk, and no subsequent study has ever showed correlation.

 

And again, as there is no scientific evidence for viruses, vaccine efficacy is a meaningless concept.

And I’ve already posted over 200 abstracts suggesting correlations between vaccines and autism.

Of course denialists will continue to argue that excess mortality - and the explosion of autism - is completely coincidental.

Thus, anguished parents of autistic kids as well as survivors of died suddenly will only receive slaps in the face.

 

You misinterpreted the UK data several times in the past and seem to be doing so yet again.

As reported by the UK, they have vaxx rates ranging from 70% (4 doses) to over 90% ever vaxxed, which leaves a much smaller pop of unvaxxed compared to vaxxed. Yet, unvaxxed have significantly higher death rates compared to fully vaxxed even if absolute numbers are flipped.

On the other hand, as they also reported, unvaxxed & ever-vaxxed death rates are similar, but that similarity is from March 2022 onward. This was around the time the last major wave of cases was subsiding and relative to peak death rates, overall covid deaths have been near/at their nadir.

 

This is such a wrong statement. AZ posted the UK data which is more generalized so I did a few of the numbers for you from the UK...

In (using two doses fully vaccinate and one dose partially vaccinated from AZ's hard numbers out of the UK Table 1)...

April of 2021 you had 738 covid related deaths. 101 fully vaccinated/406 partially vaccinated/231 unvaccinated. In April they were going to be less that 50% vaccinated as the shot just hit market at the beginning of the year so we should expect more unvaccinated. So that would be 13% fully and 55% partially vaccinated.

May of 2021...289 covid related deaths. 96 fully vaccinated/109 partially vaccinated/84 unvaccinated. That is 33% fully vaccinated/38% partially vaccinated. In the second month we are already at 1/3 of the covid related deaths being fully vaccinated.

June of 2021...329 covid related deaths. 182 fully vaccinated/47 partially vaccinated/100 unvaccinated. That is 55% fully vaccinated.

July of 2021...1301 covid related deaths. 833 fully vaccinated/81 partially vaccinated/387 unvaccinated. That is 64% fully vaccinated.

August of 2021...2429 covid related deaths. 1673 fully vaccinated/98 partially vaccinated/658 unvaccinated. That is 69% fully vaccinated.

September of 2021...2902 covid related deaths. 2236 fully vaccinated/82 partially vaccinated/584 unvaccinated. That is 77% fully vaccinated.

October of 2021...3060 covid related deaths. 2460 fully vaccinated/69 partially vaccinated/531 unvaccinated. That is 80% fully vaccinated.

Skip ahead a few months as you should that what you said is complete nonsense. I assume the cdc said it so you believe it???

March of 2022...3097 covid related deaths. 2815 full vaccinated/48 partially vaccinated/234 unvaccinated. That is 91% fully vaccinated.

April of 2022...3867 covid related deaths. 3593 fully vaccinated/49 partially vaccinated/225 unvaccinated. That is 93% fully vaccinated.

Skip ahead again...trust me it remains over 90% (granted I did not do every month as time but I am confident you will not find a single month where the fully vaccinated do not make up over 90% of the covid related deaths and even if you found one...it would be close).

March of 2023...946 covid related deaths. 984 fully vaccinated/7 partially vaccinated/45 unvaccinated. That is 95 % fully vaccinated.

How in the world can you believe that over 2/3rds of those with a covid related death were unvaccinated when you see these hard numbers?!?! Provided by @AzCatFan

 

Denominators matter. You are missing the part about the percentage of population that has been vaccinated, especially by age. Almost all of UK has a vaccination rate of 90% or higher, with those 60 and older closer to 95%. With such a larger cohort of the population, you would expect to see higher number of vaccinated patients dying, even from COVID. That's because there are so many more people who are vaccinated.

To make this point, let's play a Squid Games type game. There are 100 people, split into two unequal groups. Group A, 7 people are guaranteed to die. Group B, only 3. Group a is guaranteed to have more than twice as many dead. So, you would want to be in Group B, right? Well, we don't have enough information, because all we know is the groups have unequal numbers. And if group A has 90 people, and group B has 10, your chances of living are much greater in group A, even though more they have more than twice as many dead!

Here's the math. I bolded the denominators for you, so maybe you can understand better? Chances of dying in group A is 7/90 or 7.77%. Chances of dying in group B is 3/10, or 30%. Even though group A has more than twice as many dead, your chances of dying in group B are 3.9X higher!

Using raw numbers like you do, and not using rates makes your comparison useless. It either shows your absolute ignorance of math and science. Or, you are attempting to bamboozle others who don't understand math and science. Either way, the bottom line is exactly what the UK numbers show. For all non-COVID related deaths, vaccination status is irrelevant, as death rates are about the same for all non-COVID deaths. But for COVID related deaths, fully vaccinated die at much lower RATES than the unvaccinated. Even if there are more COVID deaths among the vaccinated, that's because there are 9X more vaccinated than unvaccinated, if you want to increase your odds of living through COVID, your best bet is vaccination. UK's numbers, US numbers, Swiss numbers, and all country's numbers show this to be true.

 

Furthermore, the more time passes, the more we should expect to see more vaccinated dying. Why? Because the cohort of those who have never been vaccinated or never infected with no Natural Immunity is shrinking. And this group is the most likely to die from COVID. In the UK, with a 90% vaccination rate, the percentage of those with no immunity at all has a max of 10%. But that number is is likely under 5%. What this means is only a small percentage of UK residence are at the highest risk. The next group with the highest risk? Seniors; even those fully vaccinated.

 

The 2/3rds were for the US, not the UK. And it's *hard data* collected by the CDC from 60 different local jurisdictions and the data are publicly available.

AZ already pointed out what I was going to. In short, you need to use rates, not absolute numbers/percentages due to the vastly different pop sizes between vaxxed and unvaxxed.

 

I am not missing the point about anything. The numbers speak. It is a lie to say that 2/3rds of the population that had a Covid related death was unvaccinated. Not just a lie. But it is not even in the same ball park. The vast majority of people that had a Covid related death since April 2021 have been vaccinated. Your numbers prove this!

 

You would believe anything the cdc says lol. Show me the numbers. AZ like I have in the past just did. Please don’t give me what the cdc says. They say to jab a healthy 6 month old. Seriously. Show me the hard numbers.

Please don’t tell me you are naive enough to believe 2/3rds of the deaths in the US are unvaccinated since April 2021?!

You know who dies regardless of vaccination status. And you know the high risk group which is who dies regardless of vaccination status is well over 90% vaccinated in this country.

 

Denominators matter! And the UK numbers showed that for COVID, the vaccinated died at lower rates than the unvaccinated. Again, group of 10, 3 people die, that's worse than a group of 90 and 7 people dying, even though the group of 90 had 2.5X dead people! Why is this so difficult for you to understand? But then, you don't understand common side effects that all vaccines cause aren't safety signals.

 

Setting aside Covid, 29,000 people die per day on average in China.

Only an average of 2 people per day die in Monaco.

Is China 15,000x more deadly to live in than Monaco?????? Maybe there's another explanation....

 

Numbers matter. Were 2/3rds of people in the UK that had a Covid related death after April 2021 unvaccinated? Heck no. It was 90% plus by April of 2022 were vaccinated. It was over 2/3rds within four months of April 2021 that were vaccinate and dying. That is reality. It is a lie to say 2/3rds were unvaccinated.

 

Cherry picked data doesn't tell a full story. And the question is, which group suffered more COVID deaths per 1,000 people? Fully vaccinated or unvaccinated? Don't even need to dig into the UK numbers to find the answer. It's on the link's front page.

• Monthly age-standardised mortality rates (ASMRs) for deaths involving coronavirus (COVID-19) have been consistently lower for all months since booster introduction in September 2021 for people who had received a third dose or booster at least 21 days ago, compared with unvaccinated people and those with just a first or second dose.
  
• The ASMRs for deaths involving COVID-19 have been consistently lower for all months since fourth dose or extra booster in spring 2022 for people who had received at least a fourth dose or extra booster at least 21 days ago, compared with unvaccinated people and those with just a first, second or third dose.
  

In other words, in 2021 and 2022, fully vaccinated had lower death rates from COVID.

 

Love the Come on Man to the hard data!

 

I am not cherry picking crap. I am using the hard real data!

You posted the data by the way. And I appreciate it as they have made it easier to work with verse having to add 7 different age groups together.