Christain Pastor calls autistic kids "junk" that god didn't make

Proverbs 9:7-9 says, "Anyone who rebukes a mocker will get an insult in return. Anyone who corrects the wicked will get hurt. So don’t bother correcting mockers; they will only hate you. But correct the wise, and they will love you Instruct the wise and they will be even wiser. Teach the righteous and they will learn even more."

 

You are using that term. What I am talking about is individuals, on this board, saying really nasty stuff, about something that is literally at the core of many others lives.

For what? For what purpose?

Why the need to rip my faith because some clown in the news abused my faith?

Why come here to this place and say such stupid things?

What makes a person want to do that and be like that?

One guy saying he would kill his kids? Now, knowing what we have heard from that poster can you imagine if I said that about the life he lives? That I would kill my kids before I let them be so something that he values? I cant 8magine ever saying anything so stupid.

This isnt about politics. @tampagtr, @duchen and many more are people of devout faith in God. We disagree on many things politically. But such words could be viewed as offensive to their beliefs as well. Liberal/Conservative whichever. It just isnt OK.

 

Ouch, and great post.

 

People in the old testament did evil things in the name of God too.

Jesus Himself points that out many times during His ministry.

 

So an individual can persecute on a message board? Learn something new every day.

 

In the case of the Amorites the OT God was petulant and flew off the handle.

After 400 years.

 

He definitely shouldn't have used the word "junk," although I really doubt he intended to say that kids with autism are themselves "junk." Doesn't seem implausible to me - as I believe he's stated - that he was talking about autism in a way he might talk about cancer.

Putting aside his use of the word "junk" and his phrasing, though, was his appeal to faith healing as a cure for autism really that wayward or an outlier ? As far as I can tell, belief in faith healing is quite widespread, particularly among those who identify as evangelical protestants. There are obviously many pastors who promote faith healing and are very popular. It looks like the church he leads is identified as Southern Baptist, and if so, I assume he's subject to losing his affiliation if he's promoting false doctrines? I also assume he went to seminary and has a legitimate degree and isn't just some guy who paid for a certificate online. If so, he must have learned these ideas somewhere.

I'm just not sure if his overall message is really outside of the mainstream.

 

Never mind the SBC. Praying for healing is probably not outside the norm for atheists who find themselves in desperate straits.

That said, my Bible leads me to conclude that the gifts of 1 Corinthians 12 are no longer the norm. That is, no longer necessary for the furtherance of God’s purposes for mankind.

 

Wayward from the preachings of Christ.

Whether wayward from a faith-healing perspective depends on whether an individual has 15th century mentality or 21st century. Just my two-cents.

 

Again Dan. That is YOUR term, not mine.

But since you like it so much, you tell me if it applies to some of the shots fired at people of faith who havent shot any at folks for what they do or dont believe.


per·se·cute
/ˈpərsəˌkyo͞ot/
verb
subject (someone) to hostility and ill-treatment, especially because of their ethnicity, religion, or sexual orientation or their political beliefs.

 

Christians find their nonsense so normal and positive that they don’t see their actions as not justified.

 

I haven’t followed the thread but I have been tagged. My avatar is a model of the Holy of Holies and my pseudonym in Aramaic means to recite the priestly blessing. So, that certainly suggests that I am religious. Many who profess tolerance mock religious people. They aren’t. And I was not raised religious. I was raised very secular. I am not going to go into my history here, but I do understand why people are not religious. I was a true agnostic with only 1 requirement. I needed proof before I would become religious. And here I am.

 

I will say that in terms of who is being persecuted, it is one thing to consider intemperate language. I find that very distasteful, especially generalized descriptions of Christians.


But it's very important to consider what the predominant Christian message is to other marginalized groups in the United States politically, even politely stated. I know this doesn't describe all Christians, and there are some Christians that claim their positions are just a function of doctrine. But in Catholicism, we talk about seeing the face of the other. So put yourself in the position of a non-gender conforming American.


Though you are a citizen that should have equal rights, there is a substantial legal movement backed almost uniformly by one of the two national parties and certainly by the Supreme Court which seeks to create a legal regimen whereby you can be routinely excluded from public accommodations because a substantial amount of Americans find you objectionable to serves as they would others. And that's just the most benign of the various positions.


The most senior justice on the Supreme Court and plenty in the conservative legal movement have openly noted that they want to reverse prior decisions which gave you legal rights to marry. Though they may not religion as their justification openly, their allies are open that the position is based upon their so-called inspiration from Christian doctrine. They want to deny you property rights based upon an institution that they claim is the very pillar of society, because to include you in that institution would undermine society. They wish to do so even though they have their own parallel institution of marriage which would be unaffected. They say that for society as a whole, including you in the societal institution taints the institution and undermines society.


I would say it's hard to think of the worse insult. But it's actually not. It's pretty easy. Because plenty of social conservatives, including a spokesperson for our governor, have indicated that you are unfit to be around children and are likely to exhibit pedophiliac tendencies.


That is what a non-gender conforming American faces and likely sees when they hear the term "Christian". And not just because they are being overbroad and failing to discern. But because those flinging those epithets at them are telling them they doing so on the basis of their so-called Christian faith.

 

Catholicism upholds natural law and the natural order.

The cause you promote seeks to exalt a natural, physical fiction, over Truth.

Politically and socially speaking, it seeks to have the 99+%, conform to the <1%, for nothing more than political poke-the-other-guy-in-the-eye gamesmanship.

So partisan hackery'd is your convoluted position, that you literally subordinate the interest of womens' rights, to cater to these supposedly marginalized *victims*.

...because....

Trump.

That's how horribly y'all have let one troll rule your world.

Your entire political compass has pegged its 'true north', to opposite Trump.

PS--please site the section in the Catechism that supports the fiction of gay marriage...

...or abortion...

...or the propriety of transgenderism...

...or the negotiability of genders at all...

(Biblical citations will suffice as well, after you've come up bone dry from combing your CCC...).

 

I know your post wasn't directed to me, but it's interesting that you mention Trump here specifically. The harshest criticism I've seen from the DeSantis camp and other Christian conservatives in the primary is that Trump has been too friendly with and accepting of LGBT folks like Caitlyn Jenner. More recently, they've questioned whether he's sounding too soft on abortion. Whether it's personal or simply strategic, I think Trump believes that DeSantis is making a mistake by trying to be more hard line than Trump on some of these social issues.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...-after-video-targeting-trump-on-lgbtq-rights/

Caitlyn Jenner blasted Republican presidential candidate Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’s campaign for “hitting a new low” after the campaign shared a video Friday attacking former President Trump’s previous comments about the LGBTQ community.

“DeSantis has hit a new low,” she wrote on Twitter. “But he’s so desperate he’ll do anything to get ahead — that’s been the theme of his campaign. You can’t win a general, let alone 2028 by going after people that are integral parts of the conservative movement! #MAGA”

DeSantis’s campaign retweeted a video that included images of Jenner, who came out as a transgender woman in 2015, alongside Trump’s comments saying he would be comfortable with her using any bathroom at Trump Tower. The video also included Trump vowing to do “everything in my power to protect our LGBTQ citizens.”

“To wrap up ‘Pride Month,’ let’s hear from the politician who did more than any other Republican to celebrate it,” the DeSantis War Room account tweeted alongside the video.

 

Advocate for Biblical standards in instruction without fully appreciating what that means