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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. duggers_dad

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    In other words, flu shots can and do cause the flu.

    Okay, I’m being coy. The side effects that vaccines cause are merely the body’s response to the insult that is the vaccine.
     
  2. HeyItsMe

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    He’s an expert with a PHD in virology and infectious diseases. His sources and credentials? “Trust me.”
     
  3. QGator2414

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    We have 20 mice telling you that you can create some spike antibodies for xbb.1.5 and not eg.5.

    There is no reason to authorize this new booster with seroprevalence and the fact there is no emergency.

    And I am spot on with Offit. He was completely wrong imo at the beginning on giving these shots to low risk groups. But he has finally come around.

    I think you are likely not going to be part of the 7% or so that take this. But could be wrong. I certainly do not think you need to. But definitely your kids and grandkids should not take this shot.
     
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  4. QGator2414

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    The flu shot is a completely different technology. It has a proven track record though it is terrible with efficacy. I do not take it. But I would take it and feel safe. The mrna platform is a completely different situation. No way in heck would I take one of these shots. At this point I think I was wrong at the beginning to suggest high risk groups take it. The situation and arguably the propaganda got me on that one. Though big pharma and the idiots in public health made it certainly seem reasonable.
     
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  5. duggers_dad

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    In their day witch doctors were regarded as having all appropriate credentials and were not to be questioned.
     
  6. mutz87

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    Texas sharpshooter spot on, perhaps.

    Offit isn't wrong and he hasn't come around like you seem to believe--his current position is based on people having already received prior doses, not that young/healthy not getting them at all, which is what you've argued against. Should note, you go so much further in saying that no one should have access and that vaccines are unsafe (they're not), completely ineffective (untrue), and that officials and medical folk are evil for even recommending them (that's just bananas).
     
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  7. QGator2414

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    At this point. Medicine would not authorize these shots for anyone based on seroprevalence and the number of times we have already shot people up with them. There is no current emergency and these drugs should never have been given to a young healthy person. Let alone today knowing what we know.

    So to protect the 7%ish who are still consumed by the propaganda. We should absolutely shut them down. The known safety signals with the minimal if any benefit makes them the antithesis of medicine at this point. Hence we will see less than 10% take it. You may disagree. And that is fine.

    Are you taking one? Curious. As I suspect you are not knowing it is unnecessary. I really hope you are not supporting your kids and grandkids taking one for sure!
     
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  8. QGator2414

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    Go get you XBB.1.5 mono tested on mice only lol…

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  9. AzCatFan

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    Pop quiz. What causes the immune response from the mRNA COVID shot? A) the mRNA taken from the COVID virus B) Leprechauns? Now, what causes the immune response from a flu shot? A) mRNA from the attenuated viral strains B) Leprechauns?

    Both vaccines have the exact same mechanism. Vaccines train the immune system by introducing mRNA to the body that triggers an immune response. So when the body encounters the actual virus, the body is ready.

    Now, which is more dangerous? The new mRNA vaccine? Or traditional attenuated viral vaccines? Traditional attenuated viruses will occasionally mutate, and turn from an attenuated virus back into something dangerous. Happens with the polio virus. mRNA vaccines can't mutate.

    Your lack of basic biology is frightening. It would be hilarious if it weren't so dangerous.
     
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  10. QGator2414

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    Pop quiz. What kind of virus is Covid? How does the brand new technology work?

    Look. We know these shots cause reactions that far exceed what a typical vaccine does. We also know that they absolutely suck when it comes to efficacy. And we also know that the vast majority of people are at little to no risk from the disease. We know the vast majority have some sort of natural protection regardless of whether they took a shot at this point as well.

    Go be a part of the less than 10%. Just please do not let your kids or grandkids take another one if they ever did.
     
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  11. l_boy

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    To be clear this is only for the oral polio virus that is typically used in third world countries, and not the newer polio virus shot that has been used here for some time.
     
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  12. AzCatFan

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    COVID is a coronavirus. The new tech works by isolating the mRNA of the virus, combining it with inert ingredients to preserve the mRNA, and then injecting it to trigger the immune response.

    Same basic concept as other vaccines. The difference is, instead of isolating the mRNA, the virus is injected into chicken eggs and allowed to mutate until a viral strain with the proper mRNA and doesn't make people sick is isolated. This type of virus is attenuated.

    The mRNA had the same basic side effects at normal levels of others. Again, the flu vaccine has 15% fever response. The difference? Less than 200 million flu viruses a year, versus 5.5 billion over the last 30 months.

    Your premise that the mRNA causes more side effects is false. And your understanding of science is below a middle school level. Again, EVERY VACCINE CAN CAUSE MINOR SYMPTOMS LIKE FEVER, FATIGUE, AND MORE. EVERY ONE!

    But the real "safety signals"? That's the myocarditis, which as stated, is extremely rare.
     
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  13. duggers_dad

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    Healthcare …

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  14. gator95

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    Anyone giving their child who is healthy the vaccine or booster at this point is batshit crazy. No other answer.

    The real data behind the new COVID vaccines the White House is pushing

    What if I told you one in 50 people who took a new medication had a “medically attended adverse event” and the manufacturer refused to disclose what exactly the complication was — would you take it?

    And what if the theoretical benefit was only transient, lasting about three months, after which your susceptibility goes back to baseline?

    And what if we told you the Food and Drug Administration cleared it without any human-outcomes data and European regulators are not universally recommending it as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is?
     
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  15. mutz87

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    Hold up a sec. You are trying to argue that vaccines should never been given to young healthy people but using seroprevalence and past vaccinations as the reasons?

    Wouldn't past vaccinations be a factor in determining seroprevalence?

    And why shouldn't people have access to vaccines to make that choice for themselves?

    I mean, you seem to embrace a freedom for yourself to not get vaccinated but want to shut down the freedom for others to get vaccinated. How is that not blatant hypocrisy?

    In any case, there isn't usually an emergency for children getting the MMR series or people getting the flu shot every fall etc., which should tell you that this is not only about emergency/not emergency, but about protecting public health. That we just experienced over two years of the worst public health crisis in a century where 1m Americans (including over 1,200 children) & 6m worldwide died and 100s of millions getting sick and where there is no guarantee against a resurgence is exactly why vaccines are central to the fight.

    I've been vaxxed 4x, the last nearly a year ago. And not because I'm uninformed but because I am informed about science and public health, and am committed to rational thinking. But I haven't gotten another vaccine for somewhat similar reasons that Offit hasn't; I'm still hedging on protections from past vaxxing. However, because I'm facing real health issues that put me at a much higher risk, if my docs advise getting another shot, I will. There is minimal downside given the remote safety risk, even if there might not be much of an additional gain in protection.
     
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  16. duggers_dad

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    “People warn of an impending world war, but World War 3 started in 2020 with the global COVID lockdowns and coercive medical procedures. We lived through the most widespread medical assault and battery known in history. This war will become evident with hindsight.”

    @HiSun2020
     
  17. duggers_dad

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    Another meaningless term: seroprevalence.

    Sounds sophisticated though.
     
  18. QGator2414

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    These boosters are being played via emergency use. There is no emergency for kids. It is why we have no good studies and 20 mice along along with 50 people (one of whom was injured) as the reasoning to take a drug for a disease basically everyone has had. Shot or not shot. I am sure you have had Covid after taking the shot.

    Good to know you understand you don’t need the shot. The cdc and fda continue to cause generational damage to medicine by pushing these shots right now. It is crazy. It is stupid. It is the antithesis of medicine.
     
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  19. mutz87

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    Approval for emergency use is a method for getting the updated vaccines out quickly because there is still a threat to people. Covid has not gone away and is not seasonal and has mutated quite a few times. Thus, until we have a better understanding of what it will become, the public health effort will remain treating it as a current threat, because it is.

    There has been no generational damage from pushing vaccines. It's hard to even express just how meritless, illogical and hyperbolic that argument is. The crazy part is you trying to argue that there is no basis in science for vaccines while ignoring the primary cause of the damage.

    I didn't write that I "don't need the shot." I wrote that I'm hedging a bit right now having received 4 already. That might change soon given the health issues I face. But if you had your way, I wouldn't even be able to make that decision for myself. How does that make any sense?
     
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  20. duggers_dad

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    It’s hard to believe the way people gloss over excess mortality since vaccine rollouts.
     
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