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Discussion in 'RayGator's Swamp Gas' started by g8orbill, Sep 16, 2023.

  1. Wanne15

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    Some people can multitask to varying degree. I have a one track mind and I couldn’t do it. Give me one objective. I’d have to do one or the other. The jury is out on Napier. It’s early, there’s a lot of moving parts.
     
  2. Wanne15

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    I think it may have been Steve young that slowed to go out of bounds and took off too. Hitting out of bounds on a full run is tricky, especially hitting a qb.
     
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  3. paidinfull

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    Not how it works, but there’s no runoff on a change of possession anyway, as Brodeur mentioned above.
     
  4. gatorpa

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    So if one team has two PF against them and the other has one they all cancel each other out?
    Seems like the PF on Mertz would be a 15 yarder and auto first down as it happened during the play and the others would be dead balls after the play.
    I had just left so didn’t see it live but I thought on reply the UT guy hit Mertz on the head.

    I may be wrong on the timing.
     
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  5. paidinfull

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    They were all deadball penalties, and looking at the box score it looks like they only assessed one penalty to each team. Them for targeting (which is an unsportsmanlike penalty), us for unsportsmanlike conduct. I do not believe it matters if they get two and we get one anyway. The penalties were after the change of possession. They all offset.
     
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  6. gatorpa

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    Okay so the shot to Mertz head was dead ball, wasn’t sure about that. I guess because Mertz had started to go to a knee?
     
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  7. paidinfull

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    Correct. He had given himself up. The play is dead at that point.
     
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  8. Brodeur

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    I believe paidnfull is correct, but let's pretend for a second it wasn't a dead ball foul. For there to be a runoff, the penalty has to be the sole reason the clock was stopped in the final minute of the half. The intent is to prevent teams from gaining an advantage by committing the penalty.

    So assume there was a live ball targeting called on UT as Mertz is going down, and there are no other penalties. Since the penalty is not the sole reason the clock stopped (i.e. the result of the 4th down play also stops the clock), and the penalty was not something like intentional grounding done to intentionally stop the clock, no runoff.

    Now if the same thing happened on third down, i.e. the clock would have otherwise run after the play, then the penalty is the sole reason the clock stops, and UF has the option to do the 10s runoff. UT then has an option to use a timeout to negate the runoff.
     
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  9. gatorpa

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    I was more suggesting the hit on Mertz if being a live ball foul would be an automatic first down. And the offsetting melee PF would negate each other.
    I didn’t ever think a runoff should happen.

    I wasn’t clear if the hit on Mertz was live ball. It is was live ball and no other penalty then and the clock is stopped it’s moot point as UF retains possession due to the PF. Paid cleared it up, the foul on Mertz was dead ball as the clock stops when he “gives up on the play” in this case the attempt to kneel.

    TY
     
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  10. paidinfull

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    That is true, if it was a live ball penalty, it should have been a first down. Box score shows it after the possession change, implying deadball. My understanding of the rule is the play is dead as soon as the player gives himself up, and that the penalty was enforced correctly.
     
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  11. gatordadx2

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    Many experts and posters on this sight said UF would get boat raced by UT …. Well, looks like ole Smokey forgot to put the plug in the boat!
     
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  13. tommyvee

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    Agreed. Did people watching on TV even see the official last play? I watched the replay and it ended without the UT kneel down to end the game.
     
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  14. lizardbreath

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    Kewl.
     
  15. archigator_96

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    If they were all off setting penalties wouldn't they replay the down? It would be 4th down again.
     
  16. 31g8r

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    No, they were dead ball penalties
     
  17. tilly

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    Not even close. Knee down. Contact to head. The targeting call was correct.

    UT took a knee off camera.
     
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  18. gatorranger7

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    Just as an update, monitoring the wireless this morning to glean intel from the enemy's sports radio traffic - both segments the host spent the entire time cataloging all of the missed calls that beset the Vols, how every one of them was a momentum changer, how it was unprecedented that Florida substituted during the kicked ball confusion, how Florida had called a time out (to avoid a delay of game) at the end just the same as Tennessee, Mertz's knee wasn't down so he should have been hit, yada-yada-yada. Drive time too short to hear any of the callers, but I'm sure they will mirror these sentiments.

    By Wednesday, they will NOT have been out-played, their coaching staff had the team honed to a razor's edge, that Joe Milton deserves Heisman consideration and Heupel Coach of the Year, and that Florida is little better than a High School team that had the SEC refs in their payroll.

    Been a long time since I've heard Volsheimers THIS bad.
     
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    I’m a little surprised that Scooby isn’t on this list. He was great on Saturday and his name seemed to be called multiple times.
     
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  20. RealGatorFan

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    I watched the replay last night and man they sure got away with picks. That first TD of theirs was setup by a pick play. Even someone who has never watched a football game would have mentioned it.
     
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