Sadly there are no “articulate” Black or Women musicians…

A lot of Truth to that. It was a long Slate piece one time about how song writing duos basically live off each other and write for each other even if they deny it. But I'm more of a Joe man myself.

 

Wait . . . my bad. Was into some exceptional whiskey (+) and didn't dial into this.

 

Also, I was never much of a Fleetwood Mac fan but I listened to a long retrospective on how underappreciated Christine McVie was bp
both as a writer and a source of cohesion. It made a pretty persuasive case that I had overlooked over the tablet for 4 decades.

But she obviously was not one for an interview.

 

It's funny how I like to be argumentative over this stuff, but I love it!

1. No. Bjork is better.
2. Cannonball Adderley solo on So What is the best of the 3.
3. Lead belly
4. No arg
5. No arg
6. it's hard to arg
7. Dammit, also hard to arg.

So, I guess I wasn't so argumentative as I set out to be. thanks for indulging me.

 

Love her. You make loving fun is about an affair she was having with (i think) a lighting guy. She told the band it was about her dog. Also, as highly regarded as Lindsey Buckingham is, I think he's underrated.

 

Bjork? Stop it. I’ve even seen that chick sing live at a music festival in Belgium in 2004. She’s weird and should never be mentioned in the same breath as the queen of soul.

I love Cannonball adderly. But not a chance he’s on the same level as Coltrane. And I love kind of blue. I think you’re giving adderly too much credit for contributing to an all time great album.

 

Heard this? Miles' stuff here I like better than kinda blue. I know I kinda shifted the convo. Anyway, not much into jazz, but love Kinda Blue & always thought of this as a swingier companion with a lot of the same players.

 

I’d also give a special shout-out to Roger Hawkins. Is there a single musician with a more impressive list of credits to their name? I’m somewhat biased here though because I’m a drummer.

 

Cannonball grooved harder than Coltrane, was more "bluesy." His voice wasn't nearly as impactful as Coltrane's though. Coltrane took us to a whole different church.

 

Yessir. Love that album.

 

I certainly concede to your expertise. I've had the honor of being around pretty good musicians & realize they hear so much more & so much different than me. Unlike anything else I can think of, it haunts me to imagine what they hear. It's weird how - from my perspective - amazing I find your intellect.

 

The first Miles Davis quintet might be my favorite jazz band.

workin & relaxin’ are both killer albums with Coltrane on sax.

 

ALL TIME album. An essential . . . but sorry . . . not Kind of Blue. My take:

In summer '96 I was with the University of North Texas One o' Clock lab band on a month-long tour of Japan & Hong Kong. We did four weeks in Japan and ended the tour at a Hong Kong University. When their folks asked us what they should listen to our band leader immediately said "Kind of Blue." I wanted to balk and say "yeah, but there's this amazing Clifford Bown album" or Oscar Peterson or . . .
Years later I reconnected with Kind of Blue and it blew my mind. It changed jazz by stretching phrases out w modal/open improvisations . . . while maintaining compositional integrity / originality.
Somethin' Else is an all time album and one that every jazz musician must know forward & backward. It's the greatest musicians playing some of the greatest music. The tunes are standards, though, and don't have the same originality / music-shifting impact of Kind of Blue.

 

I’m not the music expert but when I read the article earlier it seems like they took the guys musings somewhat out of context. I didn’t think he meant articulate literally in terms of how they speak - which speaks to a racial stereotype, he meant articulate in communicating some message that this guy seems to gravitate to. Ultimately I think what he was saying was gobbledygook and mostly non sensical, and probably even inherently biased as he seemed to identify mostly with the message of other white males of his era, and also what he said was really stupid by him making a point of addressing why he didn’t pick blacks or women, but nonetheless I don’t think his remarks were as inflammatory as they are being made out to be.

 

I totally know the feeling . . . imagining what these other musicians are hearing. I know of nothing more simultaneously rewarding and humbling than music.

 

What the guy said about blacks and women not being articulate, was just bonehead ignorant. That said, I don’t get that his book is declaring those are the only masters. Those are the ones that he interviewed. Obviously, he could not interview the ones that have died.

I’m surprised that in all this discussion, nobody has mentioned Clapton. He would be on my masters list.

 

I love that there’s a conversation about Cannonball with multiple people participating. He’s one of my all time favorites. We actually named our daughter after him, Rose Adderley.

I agree with your take on him and Coltrane musically. I do want to mention that for a dude to hang and chat with, Cannonball would be amazing.

 

The guy wrote a book about 7 people he liked. Him straight up pushing against the narrative that everything has to have race and gender attached is the whole point.

it is ok to be a white male.

my list would be different than the next person… it’s context of what you grew up with, not the color of their skin or gender.

Jaco Pastorius
Sting
Carol Kaye
Stanley Clarke
Victor Wooten
Geddy Lee
Chris Squire

Reminds me of this

 

Not so fast. I thought it was Little Richard who invented Rock & Roll. (That is, according to Little Richard.)

 

He's just completing the rich aging boomer challenge by becoming a total reactionary