Welcome home, fellow Gator.

The Gator Nation's oldest and most active insider community
Join today!

Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    15,962
    1,180
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
    Just another reminder that there are innumerable things (that aren’t viruses) that can present as “infection-like” symptoms. Open your minds …

    upload_2023-9-16_9-43-48.jpeg
     
  2. AzCatFan

    AzCatFan GC Hall of Fame

    12,026
    1,130
    1,618
    Apr 9, 2007
    Listen to the doctors. Like the three major city pediatric association web pages that all advocate for pediatric COVID vaccinations? Or, are there some other set of medical doctors you know abbot?
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  3. QGator2414

    QGator2414 VIP Member

    18,184
    1,504
    1,308
    Aug 24, 2009
    Ocala
    No. The facts are on my side. There is a reason so few kids have taken the shot. There is a reason so few have taken the booster.
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  4. AzCatFan

    AzCatFan GC Hall of Fame

    12,026
    1,130
    1,618
    Apr 9, 2007
    Still waiting on your list of doctors who don't recommend getting vaccinated. Meanwhile, here's a survey of pediatricians in Ontario, CA. 152 respondents. Here's the section on vaccine recommendations 5 through 11.

    Ninety-nine percent of pediatricians reported they were likely to recommend the COVID-19 vaccine to children aged 5 to 11 years (92% very likely, 7% somewhat likely). Three pediatricians (2%) reported they were neither likely or unlikely, and only one pediatrician (0.7%) reported they were somewhat unlikely to recommend the COVID-19 vaccine in this age group.
    Facts not accepted by all require proof. Your facts have none. That makes them nothing but unsubstantiated opinion.
     
    Last edited: Sep 16, 2023
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  5. QGator2414

    QGator2414 VIP Member

    18,184
    1,504
    1,308
    Aug 24, 2009
    Ocala
    You keep finding the garbage that you want to confirm your position. I will look at reality. Very few kids under 12 ever took the shot. And there is a reason for that. The doctors in your survey were not pushing the shot on the front lines.

    The sick and evil thing is that some school districts coerced the shot for kids. All so you could feel better about yourself. There was NEVER an emergency for kids with Covid. And it is sick/disgusting/evil that the idiots in public health ever pushed this shot on kids (including Offit). I understand that the we scared the mess out of everyone including medical professionals. But they are well aware now!
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  6. AzCatFan

    AzCatFan GC Hall of Fame

    12,026
    1,130
    1,618
    Apr 9, 2007
    What three eff are the "front lines" of COVID? You keep making excuses for all the data I find. But what you don't do? Bring any new data or information to the discussion. All you have is your crappy, unsubstantiated opinion.

    Again, who should we believe? 99% of practicing pediatricians in Ontario? Or some idiot with no medical training in the Internet?
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  7. QGator2414

    QGator2414 VIP Member

    18,184
    1,504
    1,308
    Aug 24, 2009
    Ocala
    LOL!

    The data is there for you. It takes effort sometimes.

    There is a reason that so few kids ever took the shot. I know you want to justify the shot for everyone regardless of anything (the antithesis of medicine). But if you jabbed your child. You are in a minority for a reason. Sadly propaganda is powerful and the few that did choose to jab their kid have to live with that. But you should be able to sue any government entity that coerced one to jab their kid (or themselves) for that matter.
     
    • Funny Funny x 2
  8. mutz87

    mutz87 p=.06 VIP Member

    38,228
    33,866
    4,211
    Aug 30, 2014
    There are reasons, but not among them are pediatricians recommending against vaccinating children. You can't just throw out low vax rates for children as evidence supporting your argument. After all, booster/new bivalent vaxx rates are down across the board, which is because the massive threat has subsided (but not gone away). Those fully vaccinated, including those most at risk, are less likely to go for yet another one for various reasons as was found in one of those links I provided earlier, not because they are suddenly against vaccines. And parents, who were fully vaccinated, were probably less likely to have their children vaccinated due to the dynamics around parental fears. Seems to me you're misinterpreting human behavioral changes & tendencies w/in the changing context of the pandemic to try to fit it into your rigid views, but not adjusting your views to new info. This gets reasoning backwards.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1
  9. AzCatFan

    AzCatFan GC Hall of Fame

    12,026
    1,130
    1,618
    Apr 9, 2007
    You're right. The data is out there. Like this recently published study showing the vaccine lowers infections, out patient and hospital visits in kids ages 6 months to 5 years.

    You work for a dentist, correct. Know any dentist that doesn't recommend flossing? Yet, less than 50% of Americans floss on a daily basis. Using your logic, flossing must not be important! Because we all know the professional recommendations from those with advanced degrees are worthless as compared to layman patient uptake data!

    The reality? Just like there's evidence that show we should be flossing, and the majority of dentists recommend it, there's evidence for pediatric COVID vaccination. And the doctors recommend it. This is what the data shows.
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  10. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    15,962
    1,180
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
    upload_2023-9-16_15-1-20.jpeg
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  11. QGator2414

    QGator2414 VIP Member

    18,184
    1,504
    1,308
    Aug 24, 2009
    Ocala
    This shot at best should have only been authorized for 65 and older. That can be defended by science and medicine. And with that it should have been stopped and no boosters should have ever been authorized for anyone.

    That is reality. But big pharma appreciates your inability to see reality.
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  12. QGator2414

    QGator2414 VIP Member

    18,184
    1,504
    1,308
    Aug 24, 2009
    Ocala
    Such a ridiculous analogy. But you are good at that.

    The sad thing is we know (fauci in an interview said it a year before Covid) how to fight respiratory viruses. And yes. Most people ignore what is know. Be healthy. But you keep supporting big pharma. They appreciate you!
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  13. AzCatFan

    AzCatFan GC Hall of Fame

    12,026
    1,130
    1,618
    Apr 9, 2007
    Why is it a ridiculous analogy? Because it shows how ridiculous your vaccine position truly is?
     
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1
  14. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    15,962
    1,180
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
    The most dangerous place for catching Covid was Zoom meetings. Thanks to these people for keeping us safe!

    upload_2023-9-16_16-57-17.jpeg
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1
  15. QGator2414

    QGator2414 VIP Member

    18,184
    1,504
    1,308
    Aug 24, 2009
    Ocala
    No. There is no emergency and we are pushing a drug with known safety signals on an entire population. Flossing your teeth. Eating healthy. Those are known things that keep you healthy and are actually far more helpful in fighting Covid when you get it verse an experimental drug that causes unnecessary inflammation and provides no protection from the disease.

    Big pharma and their 20 mice appreciate you!!! Just please don’t jab your kids anymore!
     
    • Funny Funny x 2
    • Best Post Ever Best Post Ever x 1
  16. AzCatFan

    AzCatFan GC Hall of Fame

    12,026
    1,130
    1,618
    Apr 9, 2007
    SaFetY sIGNalS! LOL! Over 5.5 billion jabs world wide. Show your numbers. What are the signals? What are the percentages? How many people hurt, hospitalized, and died from the vaccine? Show your work, please.

    Otherwise, your safety signal crap is exactly that. More, unsubstantiated opinion and nothing of substance.
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
    • Come On Man Come On Man x 2
  17. QGator2414

    QGator2414 VIP Member

    18,184
    1,504
    1,308
    Aug 24, 2009
    Ocala
    Millions calling in sick to work. Millions feeling like crap for a day or two. Myocarditis. And plenty more that are being covered up.

    If you want to cause unnecessary inflammation. Go for it…

    These shots need to be shut down immediately for multiple reasons and to protect the minority who still take them like you!
     
    Last edited: Sep 16, 2023
    • Funny Funny x 1
  18. AzCatFan

    AzCatFan GC Hall of Fame

    12,026
    1,130
    1,618
    Apr 9, 2007
    LO effing L. Every vaccine has the risk of 24 to 48 hours of feeling a little sick. Because 100% of vaccines trigger an immune response. And most common things that happen when your immune system is started are feeling tired, slight fever, maybe a headache? Here's a list of common side effects from ANY AND ALL vaccines. Not just COVID. If you think a few missed days of work or school from the vaccine is something to worry about, I suggest a high school biology course that goes over the immune system! You sound that ridiculously stupid.

    As for myocarditis, very small side effect with 95% cases so mild, it requires nothing but monitoring for a few days. And infection without vaccination has shown to be much more dangerous.

    Massive swing and a miss. MASSIVE.
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
    • Like Like x 1
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
  19. mutz87

    mutz87 p=.06 VIP Member

    38,228
    33,866
    4,211
    Aug 30, 2014
    Why should your anti-vax beliefs prevent others from protecting themselves against a virus that has been the cause of millions of deaths and hundreds of millions becoming ill?

    The reality is that covid was a novel animal virus in which humans had no prior immune defense. The reality is that the world faced the worst pandemic since 1918. The reality is that scientists created vaccines within a year that no doubt saved millions of lives. The reality is that vaccines aren't perfect and sometimes cause side effects in some people. The reality is that effectiveness and safety have been weighed against the risks of sickness and death from covid itself. The reality is that big pharma is far from perfect and there are good reasons to have some skepticism. The reality is people have legitimate concerns and hesitancy about vaccines (and all sorts of medical treatments). The reality is that tens of millions of people in this country were exposed for their science & information illiteracy and fell victim to all sorts of conspiracy mongers and con men.

    These are all realities but the bottom line about vaccines is that they are absolutely defensible from medical/public health and scientific standpoints.
     
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2023
    • Agree Agree x 3
    • Winner Winner x 3
    • Funny Funny x 1
  20. QGator2414

    QGator2414 VIP Member

    18,184
    1,504
    1,308
    Aug 24, 2009
    Ocala
    No vaccines cause people to get sick like these. You keep justifying it if you want. But vaccines do not typically keep people from being able to work.

    You want to cause unnecessary inflammation by putting a spike in your body for a variant that is basically extinct for an inflammatory disease. Your choice. Just please don’t do it to your kids and grandkids.
     
    • Come On Man Come On Man x 1