Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Right..."anymore shots." You've been arguing for several years about young/healthy not needing shots at all and calling people idiots etc. for recommending or people getting shots. But as soon as one of those medical and public health idiots who advocated for young/healthy getting shots and boosted adjusts his position years later in saying they "probably don't need another shot" you parade it as supporting your position, calling him "great." It doesn't jive.

Basically, you are at odds with the medical and public health experts around the world. You're right to be, but you don't have the understanding about public health as you think you do.

 

He changed his position. But there were plenty that never felt young healthy people (kids for sure) should take these shots. There is a reason that only about 22% of kids under the age of 12 got the primary series of shots. And it is not because most pediatricians and doctors listened to Offit.

 

Never has my estimation been lower for …

“public health experts”

Fewer millions would have died under witch doctors.

 

...yet his position was and is not about children not getting vaccinated at all.

Sure, there will always be some medical professionals who will disagree. To be expected. And while I haven't seen any specific survey of pediatricians, the AAP has been in consistent support of vaccinations for children and according to the AMA, 96% of doctors are fully vaccinated.

This of course isn't evidence of their being right, but it is evidence of not only what the medical community overwhelmingly supports & recommends, but have done so for themselves.

Why parents might not get vaccines for their children is probably not dependent upon what their pediatrician recommends wrt to covid, but rather their hesitancy is in the nature of apprehension parents have regarding their children that will differ than fears they might have for themselves.

 

Question for people who believe in viruses and asymptomatic carriers …

How many people do you think you’ve killed over the many flu seasons you’ve lived through ? What’s the over-under ?

I’ll check back …

 

Part of the problem is too many people are listening to trade associations and now sadly the cdc and fda.

There is a lot of truth to the last part of your statement. But the AAP and AMA are just a trade association. My wife would not be a member of the FDA or ADA if it was not required by the local county association.

It was quite clear most doctors were never comfortable with kids getting the shots. I do think most early on though most adults should regardless of health. Though the 96% is inflated as a number to use as support as most were forced to take it regardless. And I do think more than half would have taken it early on regardless of coercion. There is no doubt by the booster that doctors thoughts about the shot had shifted drastically…

 

Bullcrap. Most doctors were and still are quite comfortable with giving kids the COVID vaccine. My Pediatrics office is affiliated with Phoenix Children's Hospital, which is the largest pediatric hospital in the Southwest. Here's their page encouraging all children to get vaccinated.

Your statement without proof is nothing more than your unsubstantiated, and wrong opinion.

 

Offhand, I’d agree that most doctors are comfortable holding onto their jobs.

 

Having just observed the 22nd anniversary of 9/11 we are reminded that there are things you can breathe in that can kill you, ‘viruses’ not being one of them …

 

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

They suck at getting compliance for a reason.

No doubt the fascism in healthcare is pushing this shot. But the vast majority see it and the doctors are not pushing it!

 

I will say this: last time I went to the doctor was a couple of years ago. The nurse asked me if I’d had my unicorn inoculation and I told her know. She moved on and the doctor never brought it up.

On the other hand, if a doctor actively campaign against any vaccine, his/her job would likely be in jeopardy.

 

Money from where? Who? And plenty of pediatric groups from all over the country, from Boston to Seattle recommend pediatric COVID vaccines. So whom should we believe? A person's unsubstantiated opinion? Or several pediatric group links from all over the country?

 

The Covid shot is still paid for by the government. It is free money for the corporate providers.

There is a reason that not even a quarter of kids under 12 ever got two doses. And that now basically no kids are taking the shots. We are one of the few countries left that has idiots in public health still pushing it on this group. And thankfully the vast majority are saying no in order to protect their kids!

If you made the original decision to make your kids a minority and cause unnecessary inflammation in their body. I get it. The propaganda was strong and it is powerful. But at this point…I really hope you are able to see why so few have even taken the shot in this age group even considering the stupidity of the idiots in public health pushing it.

 

There’s some pages on this thread where I can only see 2 or 3 posts. Are we sure that’s not already going on?

 

Insurance covers the shot, which is provided free from the government. Medicare reimbursement is less than $20 per vaccine. Not going to get rich from vaccinating COVID. Especially considering each shot requires a wait time of 15 minutes to ensure no immediate issues.

For kids less than 12, maybe it's not worth it? But over 12. Ever data point from every country show vaccination reduces severe cases, hospitalization, and death. And all ages? Side effects are extremely rare, and always less than infection without vaccination. Like MIS-C, which can occur with infection, even at young ages, but there is only 1 documented case from vaccination.

The propaganda you spread, without documentation, is dangerous. You have nothing but unsubstantiated opinions, and no facts on your side. And every pediatric organization I can find all recommendation vaccination. So, who should people believe? Doctors, or some random idiot with an opinion online?

 

Fact Check: True …

 

The AAP & AMA are not "just a trade organization." They are professional organizations that serve the profession and are run by folks in the profession and their focus is not on biz trade but professional issues--in both, obviously medicine and public health.

It is also not "quite clear most doctors were never comfortable with kids getting the shots." There is no evidence that supports this argument.

You're literally arguing against listening to any medical professional or organization unless you agree with them. The facts are not on your side.

 

LOL! I would not listen to organizations on this one. Or the cdc for that matter. They have been a disaster through this. As I have said I would listen to doctors. And it is clear where they stand now…

 

Regarding the CDC, why would anyone distrust an agency that is funded, in part, by the companies it purports to regulate ? *shrugs shoulders*