A family concern about the Covid booster shot

FDA vaccine adviser says healthy under-75s don't need Covid booster

Offit hasn’t lined up 100% with booster recommendations. The link above indicates that if you are under 75 and healthy, you probably don’t need it. I recall last fall he said he wasn’t going to take the booster in the fall, partly because he had recently got over Covid and didn’t think it was necessary.

The case for additional boosters, beyond the first, for healthy individuals is mixed.

1. Everybody at this point has had some exposure to the vaccines or disease

2. Even though they reformulate the boosters, it doesn’t make much difference, because the human body tends to react the same way as to the initial exposure it experiences.

3. The antibody response, while greater than zero, is relatively short lived

4. The longer term T cell responses, a primary defense against severe illness, tend to be long term. I’m not sure there is evidence either way whether the boosters increase the T cells responses. This is in contrast to flu shots, where there is very little T cell responses, and thus annual flu shots annual antibody boost is the only defense available.

I’m 60, comparatively healthy, but I’ll probably get the booster anyway, but I will likely wait a couple of months as I had Covid in July. My last booster was a year ago.

 

The article bounces around quoting different people. Offit didn’t say anything about 65 in the article.

I don’t think he is against getting the vax if you are less than 75, but he believes the benefits are marginal. He’s a pretty old school evidenced based guy, and tends to think there should be good and clear evidence for significant vaccine effectiveness / benefit.

 

Dr Offit told DailyMail.com: 'I think we are best served by targeting these booster doses to those who are most at risk of severe disease (i.e. hospitalization).

'Specifically, those over 75 years of age, those who have health problems that put them at highest risk of severe disease (such as obesity, chronic lung disease, chronic heart disease and diabetes, among others) [and] those who are immune-compromised and those who are pregnant.'



That said he isn’t against anybody who wants it getting it. As I said I will probably get it regardless.

 

I guess it depends on who you trust regarding the efficacy and the safety of this vaccine.

Do you trust the vaccine peddlers and their ilk, or other more independent entities? Who do you trust with you health?

Florida's surgeon general recommends those under 65 not get the newly updated COVID-19 shot


Florida's surgeon general recommends those under 65 not get the newly updated COVID-19 sho

 

This guy is a literal fraud and a hack.

 

If it's an mRNA vaccine I personally will never take it. But... you do you...

 

Between the courthouses and the jail, I am frequently in very high risk areas.

 

I would follow medical advice from Trump's alien sperm doctor before I would listen to that quack.

 

ONS Data Show That the 'Pandemic of the Unvaccinated' was Always a Myth – The Daily Sceptic

 

I would never be such an azz... What I say here is not advice in any which way at all. It's just how I live my life. I did not take the original shot. and never will take the new one. I would rather take something for it after contracting it than try and use an experimental drug to prevent from getting it. For me it's the safest option.

 

You just can’t worry about stuff like that. At the height of pan-panic, if I went to the hospital for any ailment, tested positive on intake, and died from any cause in the hospital … my death certificate would have read - Covid.

 

One of the things I've learned reading during this pandemic is that vaccine skepticism seems to be a naturally occurring human impulse. There are versions of it throughout history and in every culture. Obviously, vaccines strike somewhere in the lizard brain that overcomes rationality.

Also I am sympathetic, and then only slightly, to skeptics because of the fact that in the US it's become a culture war, a badge of identification. To my knowledge, we're the only major country in which so-called leaders actually promoted this irrational and harmful impulse.

That said, with very limited exception to a few individuals, there is absolutely no logic or rationality behind not getting vaccinated whenever you can. Now that it's no longer completely free, there will be a limited number of individuals that can't afford it for one reason or another. That's obviously one thing. But those resisting because of skepticism, or because they've had enough, cannot defend their actions rationally.

Larger culture war comes out of a desire to destroy the social fabric. DeSantis claims that Florida is standing up for truth, but in fact he is serving darkness and lies. He is certainly not serving anything good.

It's sad, but it impacts us all. Even if someone was individually completely immune, if they had any sense of belonging to a larger society, they would get vaccinated both by way of example and because they can still be a carrier even if immune. But we no longer have any conception of a common good. Society is under attack from a concerted plurality that is seeking to destroy it, and as you seem vaccinations as an attack vector.

 

Just keep an open bottle of water in your hand or stay seated at your dining room table. If I learned anything the past few years it's that these things confuse viruses and render them unable to see you.

 

Yep. All the hospitalization fear nonsense right now is pure propaganda. As Dr. Fraiman said...the last patient he admitted for Covid was back in Feb of 2022 (omicron). He has admitted a lot of patients with Covid. But that is not the narrative to control the few left who cannot see reality.