CNN: Biden's "devastating" latest poll, could give Trump the White House.

I am right about all legal issues, and if I lack information to render a solid opinion, then I preface my opinion with a disclaimer, like I did today. I think the problem is you dont like your reality challenged and your pissed that I don't care what you like.

You're still my Boy though.

 

It's ok. I'm sure you didn't run into a lot of this kind of stuff in traffic court.

 

This is your position's problem--NOTHING WOULD HAVE HAPPENED. Trump is just not magically going to remain President because Mike Pence waives his gavel. My GOD man, put more effort into it. It just doesn't work that way. If there is a dispute between the Executive Branch and the Legislative Branch---well that sounds like a perfect job for the Judiciary Branch! Do you guys even think your conspiracy theories through to a logical conclusion?

So yes, the liberal, stolen election, coup d'état is a ridiculous fantasy, just like my laser vision (allegedly).

 

You are 100% correct, I never ran into the U.S. Code in Traffic Court, because it does not exist there, you poser. You know another place it doesn't exist? In the Trump Georgia indictment, you poser.

How many times do you have to fail in one day before you look in the mirror and mouth the words "why me?"

 

The election was adjudicated multiple times and multiple places prior to 1/6, yet Trump and flunkies did not accept it, and ginned up a violent insurrection.

Trump and company’s fecklessness and incompetence in their efforts to overturn the election or engage in an insurrection is not in itself a defense.

 

Here’s the real truth.
This board would be miserable without my gifs and levity.
You’re missing out.

 

do you know what the definition of insanity is? Trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Some say that applies equally to arguing the same wrong idea over and over again hoping one time it’ll be right.

The 2020 election was not fully litigated or adjudicated. You can say this 1 million times, but it just wasn’t. No legal scholar with half a brain would ever agree with you. Some 50 or so people across multiple states filed some half assed complaints seeking God only knows what. The courts never heard any of them because they were all crap, apparently. That’s not what litigated means, and by no definition would that be considered adjudicated?

laws are based on reality, not fantasy. Do you want to know why there’s no law that prohibits me from transporting you in a Time Machine back to the dinosaurs? Because that’s a fantasy, and there doesn’t need to be a law to prohibit it.

let me put it to you in a different way. Let’s assume Trump did everything that you claim he did, and let’s also assume he was 100% successful in his efforts.

He still would not be president.

 

NOTHING WOULD HAVE HAPPENED? It only would have been a Constitutional crisis. Nothing to see!

In order to be inaugurated, a President Elect needs to be officially elected through the Electoral College. Had Pence refused to seat the delegates from several swing states, then this official process never take place. Then what? NOTHING? Well, if nothing happens, and Biden isn't officially declared the winner, what happens on inauguration day? Does Trump remain POTUS?

Now, what would have happened if Pence refused to seat the delegates, it goes back to the states, the follow through with the Trump plan, and while the case is being adjudicated, Pence seats the alternate Trump electors, and the EC selects Trump as the winner? NOTHING, right?!? Trump is not the official winner of the election, and again, we're in a Constitutional crisis. And the courts need to step in, and step in quickly to fix the mess. But it's a whole bunch of NOTHING, right?!?

Nothing did happen because Pence faithfully executed his Constitutional duty, and did not act unconstitutionally. But that's not because he has supernatural powers. It's because he was told by Judge Luttig, Dan Quayle, and others that he didn't have the power to do what Trump requested. But saying had Pence acted differently, nothing would have happened when in reality, we'd be thrown into a Constitutional crisis is crazy.

 

you are really taking the definition of insanity to heart this afternoon. Here is you safety net bro….

 

But all the court decisions against Trump before J6 are meaningless. Got it.

You say NOTHING would happen. But we have no idea how the SCOTUS would rule now, do we? Had the scheme worked, and Trump won the Electoral College because his electors were sworn in and the vote happened, then we would have had a situation where the SCOUTUS would have to overturn the EC results. Are you so sure they would have done that?

And what might have Trump and his supporters' actions have been had the Trump fake elector scheme been successful, Trump had officially won the EC vote, only to have it overturned by the SCOTUS? NOTHING? Fat chance.

Especially we already know that part of the J6 insurrection plan by Trump was to have total chaos, so he could declare martial law, and keep a hold of power. Had the EC declared Trump the official winner, and the SCOTUS overturned it, there would have likely been more civil unrest at the behest of Trump. Declare martial law and Trump remains in power after Jan 20.

Again, none of this happened, thankfully, because Pence carried out his Constitutional duty faithfully. And had he not, people like Rusty Bowers of Arizona would have carried out his Constitutional duty faithfully. But none of this absolves Trump and his co-conspirators of a serious attempt to overturn the results of a free and fair election. And why they are facing criminal charges because of their actions.

 

if you want to have a discussion on this topic, you have to have something based in reality. When you claim that Trump had a “J6 plan”, right away I know you’re not serious about reality. That assertion is just made up fairytale.

As to your first point, I think, you seem to be suggesting you weren’t sure how the Supreme Court would rule on it. Well, I’m going to give you an answer you’re probably not going to like. It doesn’t matter how the Supreme Court would rule on it. This is because they have the final say. And that’s the point that I’m trying to make. If the Supreme Court ruled that Trump was reelected, then his actions were legal and he is president. If the Supreme Court ruled that Trump’s actions were not legal, then he is not president. That is the way our government works. I am by no means any type of expert in federal election law, and there are plenty of provisions in the constitution, and US code providing a great amount of authority to Congress to make determinations. But again, the decision maker is already predetermined. And that decision maker under no circumstances is Trump.

there is no set of circumstances that Trump could take any actions, other than legal ones, that would determine the presidency. To assert such means that our country has no laws. And I think you know better than that. You are hyper ventilating over a scenario that could never occur under our current form of government.

 

Again, plenty of evidence that Trump had a plan to overturn the election. Try reading the GA indictment. Or the Federal Case against Trump. Just because you don't want to believe it, doesn't mean it's false. Especially with all the evidence against Trump and his co-conspirators.

And had Trump succeeded in overturning the free and fair election by stealing the Electoral College, it would have meant the end of our democracy as we know it. Why? Because our votes, especially mine, would have been meaningless. I live in Maricopa County, AZ. Voted Biden. Biden freely and fairly won Arizona. Trump had no legal way of overturning this outcome. None. But had he succeeded he would have installed himself as the first dictator of the United States.

Had Trump succeeded and the SCOTUS later confirmed, Trump would have legally been in power, but not of a Constitutional Democracy. Had Trump succeeded and SCOTUS overturned, Biden would be in power, but think Trump would have left the WH peacefully?

Our country has laws, and thankfully, Pence and others carried their duties lawfully. But that doesn't mean they had to. There is nothing supernatural like eye lasers that prevent people from breaking the law, including acting unconstitutionally. Trump and his co-conspirators created a full out plan to overturn the election, and in the process, did things that are illegal and unconstitutional. You can reject this reality, but to do so, is to ignore the mountains of evidence that are contained in multiple indictments against Trump and company. I suggest reading all of it, and come back and tell me there was no plan. And tell me we had nothing to worry about.

 

Like I said the fact that it was the most pathetic coup/insurrection in the history of man kind doesn’t make it legal and doesn’t mean those involved, including Trump, aren’t complicit.

To say those that marauded their way into the capitol with the intention of disrupting electoral proceedings were involved in a protest is laughably stupid.

 

you still seem to be missing the point here. I don’t think you’re suggesting that Trump or any other candidate is not permitted to legally challenge every aspect of an election, are you? If not, what you just said, in the statement above, is true in every single election across the United States where somebody loses by a close margin, and challenges the election. You didn’t know that Biden had won your county until all of the challenges were adjudicated by the state, and by the court were necessary. Then, and only then, can you say with any authority that Biden won your county.

after the final adjudication, there is nothing that Trump could do to change that outcome. There is nothing that Mike Pence could do, there is nothing that the governor in Arizona could do, because if they did anything, which, under this scenario would be illegal, we have the third branch of government that would step in and put an end to it.

That is not a constitutional crisis, that is the way our system works.

Again, Trump could not win your County after the fact. As such, he could not steal the election.

 

and yet true nonetheless.

 

Time to quit feeding the trolls, fellas.

 

By Jan 6, all the challenges were over. Done. No more counting was going g to happen, and it was time for the Electoral College to formalize the outcome of the election.

Trump had every right to legally contest the outcome. I posted all his legal challenges before. He lost all but one, inconsequential case. At this point, Trump should've conceded. But he didn't.

Instead, he came up with a plan to illegally overturn the election. An illegal plot to keep someone in power is called what again? A coup attempt, or if already in power, an autogolpe attempt.

Agreed Trump couldn't win my county or state after the fact. But again, he illegally tried to do just that, in my state asks several others. Read the indictments for details. Should Trump not be prosecuted for his illegal coup attempt? Or, are you finally realizing Trump's plan to illegally overturn a free and fair election is a serious threat to our nation?

 

You are talking in circles using your own unsupported conclusions as "evidence." What did Trump do in Arizona that you claim was illegal. What was Trump's plan that you mention?

And Trump did not file a single legal challenge to the election that I have ever seen reported. Post a link if you are making such a claim

 

Want to know what Trump did that was illegal? Read the two, previously linked indictments. Want to read all the 60+ election cases filed by Trump and on his behalf? Read the previous link I provided.

Do these things and maybe we can have an intelligent discussion?