CNN: Biden's "devastating" latest poll, could give Trump the White House.

I unblocked everybody at the start of football season. Well everyone but Duggar. My first ignore of the football season. I don’t ignore people for intellectual disagreements. I ignore for posting consistently without anything intelligent.

 

The proper place to adjudicate the outcome of an election after count and recount are the courts. Trump lost 62 of 63 cases. The one win was procedural, and had no bearing on the count. These judges are the referees. Had any evidence the election had been rigged been presented, the judges would have to review. But none had been presented, and Trump lawyers have been punished by the BAR, like Giuliani.

When we're these cases heard? Between election day and inauguration day. What did Trump do or say that shows he didn't abide by the decisions? The v entire J6 insurrection plus the entire fake elector scheme, which had it worked, would have kept Trump in power despite the outcome of a fair and legal election, and all those court losses for Trump.

Gore, on the other hand, once he lost in the courts, conceded. Even though, at the time, Gore was the sitting VP, no stunt to steal the election once the Supreme Court ruled, and no riot. Gore did his Constitutional duty, just like Pence did.

As for the rest you call gibberish, it's called psychology. Trump is a malignant narcissist who wants the world to crown him king because he believes it should. Every other losing POTUS candidate has at least given a concession speech. But not Trump? Why is that?

 

you people on the left keep proselytizing the same falsehood. I’m going to assume you do so because you have limited knowledge of the law. So let me explain, but with with a disclaimer. I have not reviewed every election lawsuit filed, so there may be outliers. Please post a link to any exception to what I post below, because I would love to read about the case. I kinda lost interest in this circus around Christmas.

so….first. Trump (this means the man or his campaign), to my knowledge, has not filed a single post election lawsuit. This is important for the second point I am going to make. Of the lawsuits filed, the only ones which were decided upon the merits (evidence was presented) were decided in favor of the Republican position. ( I think Penn and Wis). These were election law violations by public officials.

Second point: I understand there were allegedly 50 lawsuits filed nationwide. Of those that made the news, other than the 2 above, all of them were dismissed on procedural grounds, not on the merits. This means no evidence was presented. From my recollection, most were dismissed on standing grounds, which simply means the plaintiff in the case isn’t the right person to file the suit. Donald Trump would always be the right person to file suit on his election.

I am not aware of a single lawsuit that alleged national election fraud. I am not aware of a single lawsuit that alleged local election fraud that went to trial or judgement on the merits. (Evidence). If one exists, then post a link and let’s discuss.

as for J6, that was a protest, not an insurrection. Kudos to the left for the quick PR branding. Brilliant.

Fake electors. I love this one. Explain to me how you think that this alleged scheme would have kept Trump in office. To me, this is akin to saying I am going to drive to the mall, go to Victoria Secret, find me a model and marry her. Mine is a barely feasible plan, but it is a non-viable plan. The fake elector plan doesn’t even appear to be feasible, but regardless is non-viable. There just is no set of circumstances where that could have succeeded.

 

The scheme was to get Pence to stop the electoral count. To have it kicked back to the state legislatures who would send their “alternate” set of electors. John Eastman, Steve Bannon, and others involved were very clear about the intent of the scheme. That was the “high brow” legal theory. It doesn’t matter if their theory was horseshit, this *WAS* their plan… right to the very end (culminating in a riot on 1/6).

Of course aside from this “theoretical” legal argument that the VP could simply reject the vote or that partisan state legislatures could override the election in their states and instead send their own handpicked electors, crimes were committed along the way. It wasn’t just legal theorizing or judicial proceeding. A federal official asking a state official to “find” them votes or “or just say you recalculated” (Trumps words!) are crimes! Others (such as Giuliani and Meadows) acted on Trumps behalf to further the pressure campaign against state and local election officials. More crimes. Individual were defamed and harassed, with the lies propagate or repeated by Mr. Trump and his associates. Apart from the pressure campaign to “change” the results, some of the so-called fake electors did other even more obvious criminal acts such as submit fraudulent documents. This document fraud is what ultimately got them charged in MI and GA (and possibly other states coming too).

The 1/6 rally was itself scheduled to disrupt the electoral count. The desperate last gasp attempt to use those “fake electors”. Beforehand, it was pro promised to be “wild”. Civil War commemorative T shirts were printed. Trumps own speech stated he was going to lead their march over there! If you want to Pretend Trump had no part of the pressure campaign to stop the electoral count or any of the events of 1/6, he put out tweets publicly pressuring Pence, and after the rioters started targeting him Trumps tweet was effectively “this is what you get”, removing any doubt. There is no room for interpretation here.

But yeah, it was all just a coincidence. The election loser just totally coincidentally scheduled an unprecedented political rally timed exactly at the same time as the very electoral count he was pressuring Pence to stop. Suuuuuure.

 

You claim many of the cases were thrown out because of standing. If anyone wants to take the time to look through and see how many from this list of every case, go for it. But I'll point out some highlights.

From Kelly v. Pennsylvania: Justice Wecht noted that the plaintiffs “have failed to allege that even a single mail-in ballot was fraudulently cast or counted,” thereby rendering the extraordinary relief sought entirely inappropriate.

From Ward v. Jackson (Maricopa County, AZ): The Superior Court denied the plaintiff’s request for relief and ordered confirmation of the election results in Arizona, finding that the evidence did not show that there was widespread voter fraud or enough issues with the vote-counting process to require overturning the election results.

From Law v. Whitmer: The First Judicial District Court for Carson City, Nevada granted the defendants’ motion to dismiss, holding that the Republican contestants “failed to meet their burden to provide credible and relevant evidence to substantiate any of the grounds set forth [by state statute] to contest the November 3, 2020 General Election.”

In short, the cases where the plaintiffs had standing, they failed to provide any evidence of fraud. And again, many of the "Kraken" lawyers are facing penalties and potential disbarment because their kraken full of evidence was nothing more than crap from their own cracked ends.

As for the fake elector scheme, I can understand why you want to magically make all that evidence disappear. It destroys all your pro-Trump arguments, because it shows Trump didn't accept losing the election, and shows him to be the sociopath he truly is. But we can't ignore evidence we don't like.

The scheme was simple. Have Pence reject electors from several states like GA and AZ because of "fraud," which would send the matter back to the state legislatures. Since the state legislatures in these states were controlled by Rs, they would vote for the Trump electors, who would win the Electoral College, and thus remain President. How do we know about this scheme? Because we have Mike Pence's statements asking if he had the Constitutional Power to do what Trump asked of him. Judge Luttig's tweet that told Pence he did not have the authority. And former AZ Speaker of the House Rusty Bowers' testimony about Trump involving him as part of the scheme, and Bowers telling team Trump he wouldn't do it. Oh, we also have the Fulton County, GA indictment too, which I suggest reading.

As the saying goes, if you have the facts on your side, pound the facts. If you have the law on your side, pound the law. Have neither, pound the table. Do you need any stitches yet for your hands? Tables can be very hard.

 

If I tell you I am going to turn your body to ashes with my laser vision, is that a crime? The answer is no. My comment is not a real threat because I am not Superman. (That I’m willing to allow you to prove). My comment is pure hyperbole.

Your description of Trump’s alleged crimes are no different. Nothing you claim he and others did had any chance of keeping Joe Biden from inauguration. It’s nonsensical.

I will say, if they prove your allegation with actual evidence I still don’t see a crime…BUT…. that would make Trump and his accessories some of the absolute dumbest MFers in the nation, and none of them should be permitted to hold public office again, our use metal utensils.

I don’t think it is possible to prove anyone is that stupid, and I don’t think the group of people around Trump, including Trump himself, are stupid. You are talking Hall of Fame dumb criminal stupid. There is just no way.

 

Thanks for posting. I will take a more in-depth look at your citations later today. However, a cursory review shows my initial perception of the cases was correct. It looks like all of your cases cited were procedural motions. A motion to dismiss is rarely granted with prejudice. Typically it simply means the plaintiff’s complaint is deficient in that it failed to allege sufficient particulars, failed to allege proper elements of the tort/crime/violation or in some cases failed to attach documents. It is almost always correctable by filing an amended complaint. Some motions to dismiss are on the merits under certain limited circumstances, but that depends on the state’s rules of procedure.

I will try to review this cases later. Thanks again for posting citations.

 

He sucks at law too.

 

Since you have little knowledge of the law obviously, go review the necessary elements of a criminal conspiracy and report back once you know something on the topic.

 

They were procedural motions not because the case lacked standing. Because the plaintiff in the case, Trump, lacked any evidence whatsoever. So much so that again, Guiliani lost his law license over bringing the frivolous cases to court, and Powell may lose hers as well in some states. Though she did survive a challenge in Texas, if I remember correctly.

And your having laser vision is different than a scheme involving real people, with real powers to overturn an election. Ask yourself, what would have happened if Pence went along with the plan and threw the election back to the states in question? Now, ask yourself, what might have happened if the state legislatures also went along with the plan, and voted to send the Trump Electors to the Electoral College?

These are real things that thankfully didn't happen, because Pence followed the Constitution. And Rusty Bowers would have done the same. However, they are people who thankfully did their duty. But it's not like Trump asked these people to do something supernatural, like shoot people with laser vision. He asked them to break the law and act unconstitutionally. Supernatural powers like laser vision is not within a person's ability. Breaking the law and acting unconstitutionally to overturn a fair and free election, however, is. And there is plenty of evidence Trump and his co-conspirators tried to do exactly that.

 

Hi, I checked. I looked up the statute of felonious questioning of the legitimacy of elections, and the page was blank. Can you help out a bro?

I’m going to guess you put on your big boy pants this morning and want to wrestle…

 

Attempting to block the certification of a legal election is a crime. Questioning an election result occurs in the courts not by submitting false electors, breaking into congress and trying to cause chaos with the certification.

Go research 18 USC 1505 after you look up criminal conspiracy elements.

 

UF lawyer killing the libbies today…hurts don’t it?

 

He is a troll and has little substantive to say. Just like you.

 

why the f would I look up an irrelevant code? Is this one of those smoke and mirror arguments? If you’re going to pretend to be a lawyer, try a little harder, because so far you’ve 0 for 2.

 

Seriously?
He’s one of the better posters. You’re not doing well today.

 

Both of you are the same. You say nothing relevant then brag about winning then post some stupid gif. I mean bring something to the table. Anything.

 

Seems like if you disagree with a poster they’re irrelevant to you.
Weak.

 

No there’s no substance there. It is just boasting about how some lib is wrong, then an insult, then a stupid gif.