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Florida marijuana initiative in jeopardy despite having one million signatures

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by mrhansduck, Aug 28, 2023.

  1. mrhansduck

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    You have ignored various points raised about criminalization and analogies with other substances. You've suggested that anyone who disagrees with you is either being a fool or is a pot smoker, while ignoring your own potential biases. You've engaged in name calling and insulted your own patients. None of that seems likely to foster a productive discussion about whether we should continue to lock people up for it.
     
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    He has “patients” like some “lawyers” have “clients”
     
  3. mrhansduck

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    From what I have seen, about 30% of Americans view marijuana use as immoral (and it seems about 19% for alcohol use). I don't think it's surprising that the subgroup identified by Gallup as least likely to favor legalization of marijuana are those who attend weekly church services followed by conservatives. See below.

    I think the morality aspect is interesting here. Are there doctrines or scriptures in Christianity, Judaism, or Islam which suggest marijuana use is morally different/worse than alcohol use?

    Marijuana Views Linked to Ideology, Religiosity, Age
     
  4. Sohogator

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    In which organized religion continues to be a blight on society.
     
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    I can't speak for all Christians but I know how I interpret the scripture, just about overindulging in just about anything could be viewed as a sin. So, drinking not an issue unless you drink too much, I guess the same could be said about eating until you are obese. I think the hang up with most Christians about MJ is that it is not consumed like just having a glass of wine because you like the taste not to get drunk or take the edge off. You smoke pot to get high. I think that is where some religion's part ways with smoking because of the mind-altering effects and you smoke for that effect. I am not a theologian and can't speak for anyone but myself and I try to not be judgmental in anyone's business because there is only one that does that judging. We can disagree about things, but I try not to be judgmental. Biggest problem with most religious people is they are pointing out the speck of wood in my eye while having a log in theirs. I don't view smoking as immoral just as I don't view drinking or perhaps doing any drugs as immoral. It may be stupid, it may harmful to you, it may be illegal but not sure I would call any of it immoral.
     
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  6. mrhansduck

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    Appreciate your thoughts.

    In high school, I dated the daughter of a Southern Baptist missionary, who I did and still respect. I recall he said something negative about alcohol, and I knew he didn't drink. I asked him about Jesus turning water into wine, suggesting it couldn't be that bad. I believe he first noted that the wine back then was not as strong. Whether that is true, I definitely remember him adding that he thought even drinking a little alcohol would set a bad example given how many people will surely drink to excess or even become addicted. Why even do it? I thought that was a very fair response. I certainly never got the sense he wanted it criminalized or that it was the biggest issue in the world for him.

    Your thought about a perceived difference between taking the edge of with a glass of wine versus "getting high" with marijuana makes some sense to me. Perhaps people who have never tried marijuana or been around it think it's a very binary thing where someone is either sober or completely unable to function and control themselves. There may also be others who tried it once when they were really drunk or they smoked way too much and got the impression that it's all or nothing.
     
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    Most drink and smoke together.
     
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    I think you are right. A lot of people associate pot with their high school or college days. They hear legalization and picture people ripping huge hits off a 6-foot bong.

    But the reality is very different. Most of the people in my circle use it exactly as you described a glass of wine. More chill, than get baked. Vapes allow you to regulate consumption pretty well.
     
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    It’s a good combo. Back in the day I’d do a few bumps to get my edge back on when heading out.

    LSd also goes well with alcohol. I did a purple microdot once with at least a 12 pack and wasn’t even hungover.

    The only downside with daily pot use (for me at least) is that it suppresses your dreams, also you build up a tolerance. I backed off for that reason and now when I take two or three gummies after a month or so off I get this really awesome almost hallucinogenic high.

    edit now that I think of it Ecstasy goes great with booze too. Man I’ve got some fond memories of that.

    Booze sure is a good gateway drug.
     
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    Abusers will still abuse. Most will use it as you have experienced. Same as alcohol with less consequences in my opinion.
     
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    https://thehill.com/policy/healthca...ommendation-to-dea-on-rescheduling-marijuana/

    The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) has sent its findings on marijuana to the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) as part of the Biden administration’s efforts to possibly alter marijuana’s status in the U.S.

    In October 2022, President Biden requested that the HHS secretary and the attorney general conduct a review of how marijuana is currently scheduled under federal law. Marijuana is currently classified as a Schedule I controlled substance, meaning the DEA considers it a drug “with no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse.”

    HHS on Tuesday confirmed it sent its findings to the DEA this week.

    “Following the data and science, HHS has expeditiously responded to President Biden’s directive to HHS Secretary [Xavier Becerra] and provided its scheduling recommendation for marijuana to the DEA on August 29, 2023,” an HHS spokesperson said.
     
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    You can only support the assertion that alcohol is worse because it’s been legal for 100 years, give this some time man. ER for psychosis almost doubled in Colorado in the first year after it was legalized.

    Since you’re in the medical field do some research on CIP, Cannabis Induced Psychosis.
    You might be shocked at what you learn.

    This is the next epidemic, it hits younger uses mostly (under 24).
    It can be irreversible.

    The pot most people over 40 smoked is nothing compared to High potency THC 3% vs 30% and up to 80% for “shatter” or dabs.
    So all the long time users here are comparing apples to oranges. One of my wife’s friends was a long time user, decided to go legal 3 months later he is in a facility due to paranoid delusions (no he mental illness). Dude was a stock broker, smart as hell. The “medical grade” is messing up people’s brains and lives.

    There is a reason the feds still have it as schedule 1.
    No studies actually prove it helps with any of the things that the proponents say it does with the exception of refractory seizures (and that’s the high CBD stuff), or pain for cancer patients (they are on their death bed).

    The idea that people don’t get addicted is baloney same as that they don’t have withdrawal. I’ve seen it first hand as have many of my colleagues from ER guys to Psychiatrists. It can be abused just as easily and any substance and it’s not any safer.

    The brain isn’t fully formed until you’re 24-25 and the effects are not good. Decades and decades of study prove this. This is based on facts and science.
     
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    See my post above regarding this.
    And just because one thing causes a problem let’s add another to the mix…
     
  14. gatorpa

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    Truth.

    Give it 5 years and people will see what you’re saying.
    Look up Cannabis induced psychosis.
    That’s a fun thing for a “harmless natural” plant.
     
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    Until getting high causes your college student to become psychotic. Have fun then.
     
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    Alcohol doesn’t cause potentially permanent psychological damage to your brain(unless you’ve drank like a fish for 30-40 years).
     
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  17. gatorpa

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    Go see what the American Psychiatric Society says about the “effectiveness “ of weed.
     
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    Alcohol 'more damaging to brain health than marijuana'

    Scientists at the University of Colorado Boulder conducted a review of existing imaging data that looked at the effects of alcohol and marijuana, or cannabis, on the brain.

    Their findings linked alcohol consumption with long-term changes to the structure of white matter and gray matter in the brain. The use of marijuana, however, seemed to have no significant long-term effects on brain structure.

    Study leader Rachel Thayer, of the Department of Psychology and Neuroscience at the University of Colorado Boulder, and colleagues recently reported their resultsTrusted Source in the journal Addiction.
     
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  19. gatorpa

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    Or just normal teens and young adults who at risk.
    The stuff now isn’t grandpops weed.
     
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    pros & cons though. I don't have to smoke a big ole J to get stoned.