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Florida marijuana initiative in jeopardy despite having one million signatures

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by mrhansduck, Aug 28, 2023.

  1. Sohogator

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    My doc didn’t know till I told her and she had no issue with it. Truth is no one cares anymore. Only select industries test for it these days. Frankly I think most reasonable people think there’s something deeply and fundamentally off with people who take a stance against legalization of pot. These same people probably wanted to put warning labels on CD’s and even today want to ban porn. They don’t trust themselves with booze, porn, cussing and drugs and don’t want anyone else to have fun with it while they can’t.

    SAD!
     
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  2. G8tas

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    I remember hearing Mary Jane when I was a kid and thinking he was singing about a woman he was in love with
     
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    about a year ago I was getting an endoscopy. The anesthesiologist came in prior to give me the rundown. She was roughly my age & I thought a tad flirty (I don't wear a wedding ring). At some pt looking at my chart she got a sorta disappointed look on her face & said judgmentally, "I see you are a marijuana user. Is it just occasionally to help with sleep or something?" I was so close to saying, "No, I just like to get really *&^%ed up!"

    My reg doc never bats an eye. He is much more on me for carbs & liquor.
     
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  4. GatorJMDZ

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    The legal attacks from the fringe right on the proposed abortion amendment are going to be legendary...and incredibly expensive.
     
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  5. Gatorrick22

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    It's a non starter for many people... becasue it's a federal offense, and many corporations drug test you... especially in you file for workers compensation. If you driving and someone hits you, how long does that crap stay in your system?

    It's a bad drug all around. But I don't mind making money investing in companies that are in that business.
     
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  6. antny1

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    It's a federal offense because of antiquated laws and being improperly labeled a schedule 1 drug. It's not a bad drug. Like anything it can be abused but even then the effects of Marijuana on society pale in comparison to alcohol.

    No one is or should be advocating for people to drive high or show up to work high.
     
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    Tetrahydrocannabinol stays in your system 30 days for casual users, 45 days for chronic users.
     
  8. GCNumber7

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    Medical records on background checks?
     
  9. ValdostaGatorFan

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    The most dangerous thing about pot is getting caught with it.
     
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  10. g8trdoc

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    You know anyone addicted to pain pills, heroin, meth? Ask anyone in the medical community and they will tell you this is a huge mistake.
     
  11. antny1

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    Keep dodging the question.
     
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  12. wgbgator

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    Drug dealers don't like competition its true
     
  13. antny1

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    Liver cirrhosis, fetal alcohol syndrome, hypertension, stroke risk, heart disease, CNS depressant, pancreatitis, hepatitis, depression, anxiety, job loss, dui, domestic violence, gateway drug effects etc

    Yeah, let's just keep avoiding the alcohol issue and demonize a natural occurring plant.
     
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  14. ajoseph

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    I can tell you with certainty that many doctors I know disagree with you about pot. So I vehemently disagree that “anyone in the medical community” opines legalization is a mistake.

    Still, I appreciate that you’re not in favor of legalized pot - why allow yet another drug onto the streets?

    My feeling is that:

    (a) I cannot reconcile any discernible difference between pot and alcohol in terms of why one should be legalized and the other banned. If the government allows the sale of tobacco and alcohol to knowing and consenting adults, why not pot? Tax it and regulate it, for sure, but legalize it.

    (b) the criminalization of pot has never stopped it’s use. That is a fact. It has ruined the lives of people that have sold pot, but it has not come close to stopping it. And with the prevalence of the recreational use all across the country, it cannot be stopped now. I think it is better to legalize it, stop the drain on the legal system, regulate its safe distribution, and bluntly, stop the hypocrisy.

    And for the record, I have not touched pot since my sophomore year in 1985.
     
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  15. mrhansduck

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    One distinction is that heroin, meth, and many pain pills are not only highly addictive with severe physical withdraws but commonly result in fatal overdoses. People overdose from alcohol for that matter. That's not the case with marijuana. Neither are bar fights and the domestic violence associated with alcohol.

    I wouldn't argue that marijuana is entirely harmless - few things are if abused or used by the wrong person. There's a particular concern about adults who have mental health problems which may be exacerbated by THC use. Unfortunately, due to the classification, there hasn't been as much study of it here at least. Not sure what studies have been done in other countries, but I appreciate why many doctors don't want to encourage recreational use.

    Whether we should continue arresting, incarcerating people and giving them permanent criminal records is a different question that goes beyond just medicine. The scheme we have now in Florida allows people to get the medical card as long as they can afford it. I have never heard of a single person being denied in their application. It's a rubber stamp. I'm not sure what that's doing other than setting up people who have less money (and more melanin) to wind up in the criminal justice system, which can cause a domino effect of other bad outcomes.

    I think our main goal ought to be to make it harder for kids to obtain because everything I've read is that the effects on their brains are likely quite adverse. We can also regulate potency and ensure what people are getting is the real thing and as safe as possible. We also need to be addressing mental health generally because a lot of people are self-medicating with drugs because they don't have access to mental health care.
     
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  16. antny1

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    I can also attest that it isn't "potheads" stressing the 911 system and crowding street corners panhandling. A great majority of the homeless we run on are alcoholics.
     
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    It’s a stupid rhetorical question that has zero to do with anything. You are simply changing the subject rather than addressing the issue. Less than or no alcohol would be a great thing medically speaking. Smoking is bad for you. Weed is bad for you. Making it recreationally available makes the already bad problems in this country worse. I see patients every day coming in smelling like weed that are complete losers. We don’t need more of them.
     
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  19. antny1

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    So your biased anecdotes trumps any one else's experience including other medical professionals......got it.
     
  20. g8trdoc

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    Dude just because you like smoking weed it doesn’t make it good for you. My opinion isn’t based of the criminal justice system’s handling of weed issues it’s based on every day patient experiences. Word of advice too. It makes it much much harder for anesthesia to work if you’re high.
     
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