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LeBron James' son, Bronny, suffers 'cardiac arrest,' family spokesperson says

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by flgator2, Jul 25, 2023.

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  1. duggers_dad

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    I’ll bet more teachers died from dislocated shoulders, patting themselves on the back, than from the plague carried by dirty little disease vectors.
     
  2. QGator2414

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    Just stop. It is pathetic to listen to you. Just be glad all those were willing to work and serve you during Covid while you screwed kids over by peddling the bs that teachers can’t work but others could.
     
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  3. QGator2414

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    It would have been over in a week. Like in Kentucky recently. Instead you supported damaging the future of kids. Especially kids in the most need.
     
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    Our kid's high school had 5 straight weeks in the fall of 2021 with over 20% of the faculty out. There were two schools in the district with 25+% of their faculty out for multiple weeks in the fall of 2021. While it would have been nice for it to have been over in a week, that isn't what happened. When reality doesn't match our theories, we can insist that reality is wrong, or recognize that our theories are incorrect.
     
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  5. QGator2414

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    You were an anomaly. To force others to suffer because you may have had to shut down longer anecdotally is evil! We had one private school shut down for a week in the fall of 2020. Outside that nothing.

    Stop defending what you know is wrong. Worst is you are one to try and act as if you care for those in the most need. Well that is the kids you advocated to keep away from the safest place they could be. You are advocating for taking years off the lives of millions of kids. Future earning down. Quality of life down. I know that is not you. But that is exactly what we did and you are saying was the right thing to do.

    We screwed up. And have to own it. Let’s never give the disaster any credence!
     
  6. AzCatFan

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    Schools with outbreaks in Arizona were closed for a minimum of two weeks. One week would be rare. It's how the virus spreads. It's rarely one event in a school where all staff gets infected at once.

    We made the right decision closing schools. Studies from Italy and France show schools were sources of COVID spread. COVID spread from school into homes. One result was 214,000 plus kids who lost at least one parent. Thousands of more lost grandparents too. How many more would've died had schools remained open?

    How many more kids in hospitals? Over 9,100 according to the linked article, with a spike in Florida after schools were ordered to remain open. Coincidence? Likely no.

    But keyboard warriors with no medical training are supposed to have all the answers? And all the actual experts wrong? If it wasn't so sad, it would be hilarious.
     
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  7. QGator2414

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    I never claimed to have all the answers. But one answer every knew after the idiotic decision to shut school down from March to the end of the year in 2020 was that keeping kids in remote learning was wrong. Even the idiots in public health knew it. Amazing that you never heard of long school shutdowns in Florida. We must have just been special down here. :cool:

    But yes. Keyboard warriors with no medical training this day support the damage they did. Crazy thing is they (you) acknowledge it damaged their kids. And they are typically the ones that have the means to to protect their kids more than the those who need the most help. It is not hilarious. It was evil!
     
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  8. G8tas

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    Why did Ladapos mention the vaccine with Bronny? Is that the only thing he is capable of talking about?
     
  9. duggers_dad

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    Possibly because genocide.
     
  10. AzCatFan

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    If saving the lives of school staff and keeping kids out of hospitals is evil, call me Satan. In a global pandemic, there is no winning, only mitigation. And yes, had we to do it all over again, I'd choose to keep schools mostly closed again. Even if it hurts the educational achievement of kids. Because kids who are alive with teachers who are healthy can catch up. Dead people can't teach, parent, or learn.
     
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  11. QGator2414

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    Your position is so ridiculous it makes no sense. It is just like the shot. You are so tunnel visioned you can’t see it. You are only focuses on one profession. Teachers. Whose job is “essential” by the way.

    You did not save one life. You harmed lives by supporting the shutdown of schools. Millions of lives. And it was evil. I wouldn’t call you satan for it. But ignorant. As most of the public health idiots are at least willing to admit they screwed this one up and owe the kids an apology.
     
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  12. mikemcd810

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    Do you even think about what you're saying anymore? It's ridiculous and makes no sense to try and save the lives of teachers? We're not talking about shutting down schools this fall, we're talking about 2020 with a lot of uncertainty and no proven preventative or therapeutic medicine (as much as you want so say in hindsight it was obvious at the time, it was not which is why virtually every developed country took similar approaches)
     
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  13. OklahomaGator

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    Let's get this discussion back to James and take the covid discussion to the covid thread.
     
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    Putin's puppet and Q do this everywhere they can. Same things over and over.
     
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    Again, the data shows just how wrong you are.

    Of the nine interventions they examined, only closing schools and closing workplaces had a significant association with a decline in early Covid-19 attributed death rate.

    Closing schools reduced mortality by 1.23 daily death per million over 24 days and closing workplaces reduced mortality by 0.26 daily death per million over 24 days.

    For the UK, with a population of about 67 million, this would translate to roughly 82 and 17 daily Covid-19 deaths, respectively.
    But you think you know more than the data because....??? Just like you know more than the Doctors at Cedar Sanai that treated Bronny, and diagnosed the problem as congenital!
     
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    Can you outline your medical training for us? Thanks in advance!
     
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    Exactly. We are talking Fall 2020. It is bad enough we shut down for Spring 2020. We knew the data. Young healthy people were at little to no risk. We had people working "essential" jobs. Shoot. We were not even considered "essential". Idiotic! Teachers are as "essential" as any job out there. As are all jobs but that is a different discussion. But some want to use them as pawns for their idiotic political public health decisions that became disastrous. I am sure you put plenty of people in danger going to the store and restaurants while kids were harmed with remote learning in many places in this country. Or you were blessed to be in Florida where we understood how stupid we were to shut down the entire spring and were not going to let that disaster happen again. Oh...and we did not have schools shutting down across the state either. Teachers and kids did not die in droves from having to go to school and teach/learn. Don't fall for the propaganda AZ peddles about why it was good to harm kids by keeping them out of school.
     
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  18. QGator2414

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    I get you wanted to live in a bubble. That is not reality. Stop reading models that give you the answer you want to hear. And completely ignore the years lost for all the kids. There are plenty of studies discussing the lost years of life for kids and their quality of life will be diminished by the idiotic decision to keep them out of school in remote learning.

    The crazy thing is you know it harmed your kids. And your kids have advantages many do not.
     
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    I am an Engineer who has worked in the Dental industry for over 15 years. But you keep ignoring the data and reality if you wish.
     
  20. AzCatFan

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    Again, there is no winning during a global pandemic. There will be losers. What is the bigger loss? A few years of education that can be made up? Or a person's death, which is permanent?

    I'm looking at studies, done by medical professionals, and printed in peer reviewed journals that post actual data. I'm not sorry the data is telling a story that shows your opinions are a bunch of bull. That's on you, not me. And it's not what I want to hear. It's the truth.

    I think, along with public health officials, the number one priority during the pandemic was saving as many lives as possible. Know what happened when Florida ordered all schools reopened regardless? The pediatric hospitalization rate exploded by 10X. And in Texas, COVID mortality rate jumped and schools ordered open was blamed for an additional 800 deaths. Those kids in the hospital lost out on school time. Those teachers, staff, and parents who died also hurt the education for the kids' lives they were involved with. Would more hospitalizations and deaths really be a positive?

    Know what would have harmed my kids even more than lost school time? My death. Or death of a teacher, or multiple teachers. Death is permanent. Learning loss is not. Given the choice between the two during a global pandemic with a novel virus, I'll take learning loss, as bad as it is, and it was bad. Because more dead people, especially parents and school staff causes learning loss as well. And the dead aren't coming back.
     
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