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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. duggers_dad

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  3. duggers_dad

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    What does my geographic location matter ? Don’t you think I’m in Russia ?
     
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    30 signs you might be an Empire simp …


    1. You get triggered whenever anyone highlights the well-documented western provocations that paved the way to the war in Ukraine.

    2. You think Putin invaded Ukraine solely because he is evil and hates freedom and the US is pouring weapons into the nation because it loves Ukrainians and wants to protect their freedom and democracy.

    3. You’re more interested in Trump’s mugshot than the western-backed atrocities in Yemen or starvation sanctions in Syria.

    4. You can listen to Tony Blinken talk without wanting to throw trash at his head.

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  6. G8trGr8t

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    body blows having an effect, artillery support is lacking, russians are becoming meat for cluster munitions. hopefully they turn on their commanders soon, i'm sure that many of them do not deserve this. war is an ugly business. Ukranian artillery shredding russian troops who can no longer get artillery support and are being told that they cannot retreat.

    Dnipro Island Ambush: Russian Forces Stranded as Command Abandons Them (msn.com)


    Russian military bloggers are currently voicing fierce criticism of their own military command, as follows FOCUS online. A brigade of Russian soldiers isolated on an island in the Dnipro River is being massively shelled by Ukrainian artillery. The result is enormous losses; FOCUS online reports that in just two days between 200 and 300 soldiers have either fallen or been captured.

    According to FOCUS online, the affected unit’s calls for help, especially for Russian artillery support, have so far gone unheard. In addition, one of the brigade commanders had asked for approval to withdraw. However, the military command had refused this request. Interestingly, the military command had dismissed two commanders who had advocated withdrawal.
     
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    And the above post is one sign that Americans can be manipulated by Russian disinformation.
     
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    I would like to hear @uftaipan or any other former/current military's opinion about Colonel Douglas Macgregor, as it relates to the many interviews he has given in the media and pod casts regarding the war in Ukraine. For those of you who don't know about him, here's some background from his Wikipedia page:

    Douglas Abbott Macgregor (born January 4, 1947)[1] is a retired U.S. Army colonel and government official, and an author, consultant, and television commentator.[2] He led an early tank battle in the Gulf War[3] and was a top planner in the 1999 NATO bombing of Yugoslavia.[4] His 1997 book Breaking the Phalanx argued for radical reforms inside the Army.

    Macgregor was educated at the Wm. Penn Charter School in Philadelphia and at the Virginia Military Institute, and graduated from the U.S. Military Academy at West Point with a BS in general engineering in 1976. He received his Ph.D. from the University of Virginia[3] in international relations in 1987.[4]

    Macgregor was the top planner for General Wesley Clark, the military commander of NATO, for its 1999 intervention in Yugoslavia.[4]

    In the fall of 2001, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, who had read Breaking the Phalanx, insisted that General Tommy Franks and his planning staff meet with Colonel Macgregor on January 16–17, 2002 to discuss a concept for intervention in Iraq involving the use of an armored heavy force of roughly 50,000 troops in a no warning attack straight into Baghdad.[14]

    Macgregor left the Army in June 2004.[15]

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    No skin off Russian command, just order up more Canon Fodder.

    I wonder what the % of Russian ground troops survive unscathed (physically) from a tour of duty at the front.

    Looks like state sponsored murder if you ask me, akin to WW1.

    I have NOTHING against Russian youth.
    It's a tragedy for them. This is a staggering example of a completely unnecessary conflict. Brought by incredible stupid political hacks that are happy to slaughter their own countrymen and of course Ukrainians not to mention the nations that depend on Ukrainian grain.
     
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  10. G8trGr8t

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    Switzerlandis refusing to allow the sell of leopard tanks to Germany to be refurbished for Ukraine. they need refurbishment and every day that the transfer is delayed is another day before they make it to the battlefield. another example of commitments being made (by Germany) but not being fulfilled for whatever reason

    Switzerland blocking Italy’s Leopard-1 tanks transfer to Ukraine – photos (msn.com)

    Germany, the Netherlands, and Denmark intended to purchase these tanks from Switzerland for Kyiv, according to RSI. A contract was set for RUAG to sell Leopard-1 tanks to Germany’s Rheinmetall AG, pending Swiss government approval. However, Swiss “neutrality” legislation has so far prevented this transfer.

    Switzerland has initiated an investigation into defense contractor RUAG following an unsuccessful attempt to sell Ukraine nearly 100 Leopard-1 tanks, Bloomberg reported on Aug. 21, citing the Swiss Defense Ministry.
     
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    ”I know I am but what about you ?”
     
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    Yes, I know who he is. And, yes, I’ve heard him speak. I’ll answer at more length later (I had a paper to write today), but you won’t like it. He does not have a tremendous amount of credibility in the military community. For one, he’s been out of the game and disconnected from real information for a while. More importantly, it can’t be a coincidence that his entire narrative just happens to correspond neatly with the Russian narrative, even elements I happen to know are false. Just two examples, and then I have to go for tonight.

    First, he sticks by that Russian line that there are 400K Russian soldiers, fully equipped, just waiting in reserve in case NATO enters the fight. Pure BS. Our military knows it. The Russians know it, and the Russians know that we know it. That’s targeted information operations against the average American (who doesn’t know better) to make them think that intervention is on the table (when it isn’t, not even close) but also to explain why they haven’t (read can’t) beat the Ukrainians to whom they are supposed to be so militarily superior. So being generous and assuming he’s misinformed, then he’s an idiot for not being able to put the truth together in context.

    The second thing is a little harder to explain as just being misinformed. Another of his claims is that we have maxed out our production of munitions, and there is no way to surge. He likes to use Raytheon, producer of the Javelin, as his example. If he’s a retired colonel and a graduate of the War College, then he knows that isn’t true and he’s saying it anyway, which is really curious. Now, we have not implemented that surge capability, and that is one of my criticisms against this Administration going back to early last year. But it is there, and he knows it is there. So why imply that it doesn’t exist when he should know that it does?

    I have several more examples of his argument that Russian victory is inevitable (so quit supplying the Ukrainians now) not jiving with the actual information coming out of there but jiving completely with what the Russians want the average American to believe. But that will have to wait. Good night.
     
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    Another successful drone attack at a Russian air base, this one in Kursk. Four Su-30's and a MiG-29 were hit, along with two Pantsyr air defense systems, and S-300 radars. Bavnova is a word Ukrainians use to describe explosions behind enemy lines. Knocking out five aircraft at a time . . . very impressive.

    Russia’s Kursk Airbase suffers major losses in successful attack by Security Service of Ukraine

     
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    Sounds like Russia is losing their capital assets faster than they have the ability to replace them.
     
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    Ukraine is closer to victory than the west thinks, according to the Center for European Policy Analysis. If they advance ten more miles, then the Russian army will be crushed. Ukraine is set to increase the speed of advance in the southern front. Ukraine has started to enter areas with only logistical troops (not combat troops), and they expect to destroy these units quickly and advance.

    To 'crush the Russian army and strangle the troops in frontline fortifications,' Ukraine needs to advance 10 more miles, says war expert

    Russian military bloggers are in a panic, as they see Russia's defeat looming in the distance.
     
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    The Dutch are still seeking revenge for the 196 Dutch passengers aboard MH-17 flight that Russia was responsible for shooting down. That may be what motivated them to donate 42 F-16's to Ukraine. It's too bad they didn't have 196 F-16's to donate. It's hard to keep track of all the bridges that Putin has burned over the years. Not too many countries want to sit on the sidelines for this fight.

    The Netherlands gifted Ukraine a fleet of F-16 fighter jets 9 years after Putin's proxies blew MH17 out of the sky, killing 196 Dutch passengers

     
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    Thank you. I figured you might insinuate he's a Russian asset, essentially. Unless I misread you.

    I would be very shocked if Russia didn't have at least that many troops in its reserves not committed to Ukraine, at the moment. Great world empires don't commit every ounce of their forces to one front. And we better hope Macgregor is correct about this, because if Russia is in that desperate of a scenario, the nuclear option is much closer to becoming reality than we know. It's not like they're going to commit every last reservist towards a losing battle in Ukraine and not use the world's largest stockpile of nuclear warheads.

    Regarding surge capabilities, if you watch Macgregor's latest sit down with Tucker Carlson, he explains why he believes we don't have this. The way I interpreted his words were a warning to Americans that Russia now has factories pumping munitions 24/7/365 and we do not. Could we move towards that model? Sure, but we're not there now and Russia is. So if the war widens, they're already doing this and we aren't. The same people who were telling us Russia was going to run out of missiles and munitions are telling us not to doubt our surge capabilities. I don't doubt we could surge eventually, but it would take a complete change in policy in DC before that could happen. Right now the US is content with letting Ukrainians blow themselves up with our outdated weapons. Jake Sullivan is not a wartime consigliere.

    Thanks again, for your input.
     
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